FSD Beta v11.x

JB47394 · Mar 21, 2023

Dreadnought said:
That's not what I was taught and it doesn't make sense.

It clearly makes sense for Germans, who have half the traffic death rate per capita, per vehicle and per vehicle mile versus Americans. Now that may be because their drivers have to make only half as many highway merges, but their system works for them. They actually train their drivers and they charge them a hefty fee for getting a license.

How shocked would you be if you found out someone was driving without a license? I'd shrug and accept it as another instance of American insanity.

In contrast, here's the funny James May story about a German considering someone driving without a license.

Pdubs · Mar 21, 2023

Ramphex said:
Didn’t get it today so I’m inclined to continue bitching

I’m rooting for you to get it. Historically it’s when I get mine.

Scott Chapman · Mar 21, 2023

Haven't seen a new batch go out yet today, still looks like yesterday's numbers. So I haven't checked yet.

Any ideas on the algorithm that is used to determine when a car gets the update? I realize a car can only request once a day. But it seems like they have a pool of updates, and some how those get doled out...

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aronth5 · Mar 21, 2023

jebinc said:
Nope. I mean, who actually expected to go from zero to beta testers to every FSD owner “over the weekend”? Only those that worship Elon as their demigod?

I guess reading skills no longer matter

dramsey · Mar 21, 2023

jebinc said:
Nope. I mean, who actually expected to go from zero to beta testers to every FSD owner “over the weekend”? Only those that worship Elon as their demigod?

Nice straw man. The answer, of course, is that nobody expected it to go to "every FSD owner". After many years of Elon's prevarications about when FSD or s specific version thereof would be available, even touting rollouts that, as far as anyone could never, literally never occurred (like last November), perhaps I can be excused for being skeptical.

Still, it seems we are getting a real rollout, even if the pace isn't quite what we'd hope it would be. But I live in hope, having paid for FSD back when Obama was president.

dramsey · Mar 21, 2023

Todd Burch said:
Yes, but none of them are promises. He’s optimistic with timelines no doubt..but he doesn’t say “you’ll definitely have it by this date.”

Well, except that he does actually say that. I realize that detailed parsing Elon's pronouncements is a sport here, but still, when he says things like:

"We will be feature complete full self driving this year. The car will be able to find you in a parking lot, pick you up, take you all the way to your destination without an intervention this year. I'm certain of that."

...that qualifies as "you'll definitely have it by this date (i.e. the end of the year)", doesn't it?

LowlyOilBurner · Mar 21, 2023

Highways need work. You no longer have the option to “exit passing lane” under AP settings. All you have is chill, avg, and assertive. It really doesn’t want to move out of the pawing lane no matter what you have it set to. Still
Playing with it, but it should move over more frequently when traffic is behind you. The last second merging onto highways sucks. I did have it take a merge this morning that it was never able to complete, I have one more to try that it would never complete in the past. Still needs a little polish, I’d say it’s 85% “there”.

zoomer0056 · Mar 21, 2023

dramsey said:
it seems we are getting a real rollout

Yeah, and people are mostly reporting good changes!

dramsey · Mar 21, 2023

zoomer0056 said:
Yeah, and people are mostly reporting good changes!

This is true. I’m looking forward to better lane selection logic myself.

archae86 · Mar 21, 2023

Mardak said:
Was this with your Y or 3? I believe the latter does not have Ultrasonic Sensors, so if it did get 11.3.2, do you see any specific release notes about Tesla Vision Park Assist? I'm guessing it was for your Y as you didn't mention it in your report, but please share at least a photo when your 3 gets 11.x!

My report was from my model year 2022 Y which does have USS. My USS-free model year 2023 3 has not yet been blessed. I did read over the release note this morning, prompted by your comment. While I thought the section below the second picture on what had actually changed was unusually informative, I did not spot anything about parking at all. The one Vision comment I noticed was a holdover--the one that says following range is restricted to 2 to 7 and max FSDb speed to 85 because of Vision. I don't think they customize the release notes base on the car.

willow_hiller · Mar 21, 2023

archae86 said:
I don't think they customize the release notes base on the car.

They do indeed filter release notes only to relevant vehicles. Otherwise you'd be getting a bunch of notes about China-specific or EU-specific features, or features unrelated to your vehicle's hardware.

NotATeslaApp shows that the Park Assist note will only display to cars that get 2022.45.11 that are in the US, have HW3, and don't have USS: FSD Beta 11.3.2 (2022.45.11) Official Tesla Release Notes - Software Updates

archae86 · Mar 21, 2023

willow_hiller said:
They do indeed filter release notes only to relevant vehicles.

Thank you for correcting my error.

gsmith123 · Mar 21, 2023

wen push

cowleggies · Mar 21, 2023

gsmith123 said:
wen push

Unfortunately it doesn't look like they're continuing to ramp the rollout the way they did the last two days - based on TeslaFi data (which admittedly is a limited sample of the vehicle pool), it doesn't look like any additional vehicles have gotten the push to download today - still hanging at around 130-140 cars pending download/install, which is where it was last night.

zoomer0056 · Mar 21, 2023

cowleggies said:
Unfortunately it doesn't look like they're continuing to ramp the rollout the way they did the last two days - based on TeslaFi data (which admittedly is a limited sample of the vehicle pool), it doesn't look like any additional vehicles have gotten the push to download today - still hanging at around 130-140 cars pending download/install, which is where it was last night.

Maybe (that's a speculation alert) they're getting feedback and will come out with a bug fix version.

cowleggies · Mar 21, 2023

zoomer0056 said:
Maybe (that's a speculation alert) they're getting feedback and will come out with a bug fix version.

I'm hoping it's more just a step-function approach to ensure there's no huge issues - release to 1%, wait, release to 10%, wait, release to all.
(this is also all speculation but we can hope!)

kriskros91 · Mar 21, 2023

I have always wondered if there is some sort of metric with staged rollouts that they are trying to hit regarding AP/FSD miles driven cumulatively with all testers before they continue rollouts. Sort of a baseline metric for maybe disengagements/interventions or true safety issues like crashes (though those are very infrequent so the number of miles driven needs to likely be in the hundreds of thousands/millions) before they deem it safe for a larger and larger audience.

jebinc · Mar 21, 2023

dramsey said:
Nice straw man. The answer, of course, is that nobody expected it to go to "every FSD owner". After many years of Elon's prevarications about when FSD or s specific version thereof would be available, even touting rollouts that, as far as anyone could never, literally never occurred (like last November), perhaps I can be excused for being skeptical.

Still, it seems we are getting a real rollout, even if the pace isn't quite what we'd hope it would be. But I live in hope, having paid for FSD back when Obama was president.

Yep, the Great Charlatan…. Also, no new releases in the past 24 hours. Next you’ll hear, “we found a bug, so next release coming soon…”. Even though v11 has been in testing for six months and still is on a very old 2022 firmware branch!

jebinc · Mar 21, 2023

kriskros91 said:
I have always wondered if there is some sort of metric with staged rollouts that they are trying to hit regarding AP/FSD miles driven cumulatively with all testers before they continue rollouts. Sort of a baseline metric for maybe disengagements/interventions or true safety issues like crashes (though those are very infrequent so the number of miles driven needs to likely be in the hundreds of thousands/millions) before they deem it safe for a larger and larger audience.

Using history as a guide, the Charlatan metric seems to be - release to all of his shills first, wait for their “unbiased” input, then decide next steps.

JimmyB · Mar 21, 2023

jebinc said:
Using history as a guide, the Charlatan metric seems to be - release to all of his shills first, wait for their “unbiased” input, then decide next steps.

Not sure why I got it, then ... I had my first drive on it yesterday, out to see my PDR guy and back again. As with the previous version(s), it tried to kill me (or other people) several times. Maybe I should make some youtube videos ...

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