FSD Beta v11.x

BnGrm · Mar 23, 2023

So it may be coincidental, but after updating I’ve been unable to reliably connect to my car via the app. Maybe that might be a reason for the delayed rollout. Dunno. Maybe coincidental but I’ve never had the problem before.

I’m very happy the management of FSD on unmarked roads appears improved though.

JB47394 · Mar 23, 2023

aronth5 said:
Nope never heard of it. Starting driving a long time ago which I guess explains it. I just merge in as gracefully as possible. It's interesting how many YouTube videos complain about FSD waiting too long till the end to merge.

I only heard about zipper merges a couple years ago. They're fine in most cases, but I know that I don't want to be dumped onto the shoulder if a high speed merge attempt at the end of the merge lane goes bad. Shoulders can have all manner of crap on them, including broken down cars. Or there may not even be a shoulder. The merge that bothers me on my drives ends in a curb, grass and trees. I don't want to go long on that merge, yet FSDb does a high speed run in the merge lane, getting over only at the end.

AlanSubie4Life · Mar 23, 2023

Dewg said:
It's coming - it's a work in progress. It's going to take time to train the occupancy network to recognize a massive set of objects that represent what's drivable and not drivable

Big assumption!

If you’ve seen some of the catastrophically and comically poor results coming out of Midjourney, ChatGPT, Bard, Bing, etc., it makes you realize how far AI has to go. Especially when you realize these are errors those tools make when backed by massive supercomputers. Comprehension of context and the entire scene are a real struggle!

I don’t think it is clear at all that the car (alone) which will not hit objects with safety way better than humans (alone) is going to be realizable with our vehicles. There is just zero margin for error in either direction. It has to be right every time!

Just an incredibly hard problem, without just setting the threshold for action high, and leaving the rest to the human. (L2)

If you are saying it is an L2 system, there is no reason they need to identify these cases, so I don’t think it is reasonable to say confidently they are coming, except in a very general sense (not applicable to our vehicles). It’s not just a training problem!

Justmurr · Mar 23, 2023

Yelobird said:
Why? Likely 90% of a long road trip uses AP which you have and FSD will still work. Will not making a left at a light at end of trip give you anxiety?

Because I just want it. I have FSD and I want it. I’m making several stops along my journey will have plenty of chances to use the single stack which looks much improved from what I have seen, even on the highway. Of course now that I’ve seen it - using what I have seems old and ready for an update. Ho hum.

pilotSteve · Mar 23, 2023

jebinc said:
"Wide" my arse. TGC, for short.

uhhhh WTF is TGC? This is what could find

Yelobird · Mar 23, 2023

pilotSteve said:
uhhhh WTF is TGC? This is what could find

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Tesla Guy Complaining. Again……

Acisplat · Mar 23, 2023

Maybe now that 2023.6.9 was released to production cars with the Vision Park Assist from 11.3.2, the team can get back to pushing out FSD for the rest of us.

jebinc · Mar 23, 2023

pilotSteve said:
uhhhh WTF is TGC? This is what could find

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“The Great Charlatan,” of course’! Also defined earlier!

LowlyOilBurner · Mar 23, 2023

azred said:
For anyone with the new 11.3.2: How does it handle lane changes on freeways while using navigation? Are they automatic — and annoying — like City Streets while navigating? (I seldom use navigation and FSD together on City Streets due to the excessive and bizarre lane changes.)

Seems to be pretty solid, no real issue except when it changes lanes, it does so correctly, but if your passing someone doing 68mph, and you’re doing 71, it takes forever, like it would if you were manually driving. First world problems.

LowlyOilBurner · Mar 23, 2023

It leads me to believe that AutoPark is using vision. I tried it this afternoon, and while parking, no feedback from the USS (mid 2022 Y with USS) was displayed. It parked perfectly, although, I thought I was unble to open the hatchback. Alas, it did, but it was tight. Parked pert near perfectly. A little crooked in the spot, but it worked.

kabin · Mar 23, 2023

AlanSubie4Life said:
Big assumption!

If you’ve seen some of the catastrophically and comically poor results coming out of Midjourney, ChatGPT, Bard, Bing, etc., it makes you realize how far AI has to go. Especially when you realize these are errors those tools make when backed by massive supercomputers. Comprehension of context and the entire scene are a real struggle!

I don’t think it is clear at all that the car (alone) which will not hit objects with safety way better than humans (alone) is going to be realizable with our vehicles. There is just zero margin for error in either direction. It has to be right every time!

Just an incredibly hard problem, without just setting the threshold for action high, and leaving the rest to the human. (L2)

If you are saying it is an L2 system, there is no reason they need to identify these cases, so I don’t think it is reasonable to say confidently they are coming, except in a very general sense (not applicable to our vehicles). It’s not just a training problem!

Teleportation might be easier than HW3 coming anywhere close to solving L2.

Sameer · Mar 23, 2023

My second tesla - model Y (no fsd on this car) without USS just got update to 2023.6.9 which has autopark support

Downloading and installing...

Very excited.. I missed parking assist the most in my tight garage parking...yay!

clydeiii · Mar 23, 2023

DarkForest said:
Where I live, roads are updated frequently, and it's very obvious when FSD has the correct map data for an intersection and when it doesn't. So I'm thinking it's using map data more than people realize.

For example, they recently put up a new stop sign at a nearby intersection, and it reads it at the last possible second. I've had to slam the brakes several times when it didn't pick it up at all (I wanted to see if it would ever read the stop sign and only tested it if no one was around).

On several other nearby intersections, they were converted from a two-way stop to a four-way stop. When driving in the direction that always had a stop sign, it doesn't see that the perpendicular road also has a stop sign and creeps like crazy instead of its usual behavior at four-way stops of going when it's my turn.

On a near by arterial road, it's lane data must be really off because FSD flat out ignores the yellow lane marker and will try to drive on the wrong side of the road. Thankfully the most recent FSD update made it more gracefully handle this failure scenario, but it's still an issue.

Agree, it’s using map data almost exclusively. They just installed a stop sign on a street nearby. It often wants to blow past the sign because it sees it too late. It’s not that it isn’t using vision, it’s that it’s sometimes too slow. If others are stopped at the sign, it stops too and displays the sign on the map.

AndrewZ · Mar 23, 2023

LowlyOilBurner said:
It leads me to believe that AutoPark is using vision. I tried it this afternoon, and while parking, no feedback from the USS (mid 2022 Y with USS) was displayed. It parked perfectly, although, I thought I was unble to open the hatchback. Alas, it did, but it was tight. Parked pert near perfectly. A little crooked in the spot, but it worked.

Autopark systems across the industry are vision-based, hence why they require vehicles on either side or visible lines for the parking spot

clydeiii · Mar 23, 2023

JB47394 said:
I only heard about zipper merges a couple years ago. They're fine in most cases, but I know that I don't want to be dumped onto the shoulder if a high speed merge attempt at the end of the merge lane goes bad. Shoulders can have all manner of crap on them, including broken down cars. Or there may not even be a shoulder. The merge that bothers me on my drives ends in a curb, grass and trees. I don't want to go long on that merge, yet FSDb does a high speed run in the merge lane, getting over only at the end.

Zipper only works in/was designed for heavy, slow traffic.

Otherwise, yes, I tend to merge whenever there is an opening.

macmee · Mar 23, 2023

did most people get the update? I still have not but am in the beta

clydeiii · Mar 23, 2023

macmee said:
did most people get the update? I still have not but am in the beta

No, hardly anyone has it yet.

D Good · Mar 23, 2023

Would love a video or update on the vision park assist. There is no way it’s good. No way.

Yelobird · Mar 23, 2023

D Good said:
Would love a video or update on the vision park assist. There is no way it’s good. No way.

It could split Adam’s and people would find a reason to complain so it doesn’t matter.

bayareaever · Mar 23, 2023

Sameer said:
My second tesla - model Y (no fsd on this car) without USS just got update to 2023.6.9 which has autopark support

Downloading and installing...

Very excited.. I missed parking assist the most in my tight garage parking...yay!

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I have a ‘23 MY with fsd but no uss. I’m still on 10.69.x.

Can someone clarify, does 11.3.2 include the new park assist or are they on separate sw branches?

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