FSD Beta v11.x

EVNow · May 6, 2023

Dewg said:
It was funny for awhile. Now it's just bloating the threads and starting to get annoying.

Now it’s become predictable and repetitive… like Musk saying FSD will be ready by the end of this year.

Ramphex · May 6, 2023

Ravioli said:
It reflects well how I’ve been thinking about it.

I treat system as work in progress. Usefulness and reduction in stress on the road come from using it at times, when it performs well or when even its limited capabilities make my process of driving easier and safer (ADAS / augmented driving). I don’t expect full end to end autonomy as I know FSD is not there yet.

In my everyday drives, the car absolutely keeps making mistakes. New builds bring improvements and regressions. Less traffic definitely improves the behavior but I drive in dense traffic about half of the time. Busy all way stops are a problem - hesitation, slow reaction but most of all lack of ability to ‘read’ other drivers and predict what they will do. So are multilane roundabouts and occasional unprotected left turns. There are also issues not related to other drivers that especially annoy me, like when my car changes lane before the intersection and ends up with its rear stuck two feet into the old lane and at the same time there is plenty of space ahead of it.

I’ve learned to expect those mistakes and I intervene either by gentle press of accelerator, sometimes continued press through a situation. I also have to adjust speed using the wheel, to keep the car flowing with the traffic. When I’ve someone tailgating me in a potentially problematic situation, I proactively hover foot over accelerator or disengage in advance.

Despite all of those frustrations I still choose to have it enabled most of the time on most of my drives as I find it adds up to my overall awareness of a situation on the road and helps me be a safer driver.

However, I don’t think current price, or 10k I paid for it, is a good value for most people. I also strongly believe the transfer of FSD beta on car upgrade should be allowed. In my eyes, Tesla overpromised capabilities and underestimated the rate of progress. They should at least compensate for it by allowing transfer of any FSD beta license to a new car at no cost.

It would be easier to treat it casual, as work in progress, if I wasn’t duped. $10k and over a year later of “beta testing” and it still doesn’t do what it was advertised to do…. Years ago.

Dewg said:
It was funny for awhile. Now it's just bloating the threads and starting to get annoying.

What else is there to discuss in this thread when the releases are so far apart and so stale that I’m surprised the mold doesn’t grown on them.

EVNow · May 6, 2023

Ramphex said:
It would be easier to treat it casual, as work in progress, if I wasn’t duped. $10k and over a year later of “beta testing” and it still doesn’t do what it was advertised to do…. Years ago.

Well … seems to me you are missing out on what is possible by bemoaning the unavailability of the science fiction that you expected.

Knightshade · May 6, 2023

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Ramphex said:
It would be easier to treat it casual, as work in progress, if I wasn’t duped. $10k and over a year later of “beta testing” and it still doesn’t do what it was advertised to do…. Years ago..

Here's what you were told it would do when you paid 10k for it:

Now that FSDb drives on city streets it does everything it was advertised to do.

You can certainly debate if it does it as well as you hoped of course.

But the only folks who are missing entire promised features from when they actually bought the thing are the pre March 2019 FSD buyers- all of whom paid a LOT less than 10k for it at least.

Ramphex · May 6, 2023

EVNow said:
Well … seems to me you are missing out on what is possible by bemoaning the unavailability of the science fiction that you expected.

I’m actually curious to ride in someones’s Model 3 with FSD to see if the experience is different.

Ramphex · May 6, 2023

Knightshade said:
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Here's what you were told it would do when you paid 10k for it:

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Now that FSDb drives on city streets it does everything it was advertised to do.

You can certainly debate if it does it as well as you hoped of course.

^^ I consider that as an advertisement. ^^

4 years later and you still can’t get FSDj to drive with your hands on your lap. What a success.

Knightshade · May 6, 2023

Other than the fact he never gets a hand-nag I didn't see anything the current FSDb can't do in that video (and I've certainly seen anecdotal reports of people claiming they can go more than 1:56 without getting a hand nag FWIW)

EVNow · May 6, 2023

Ramphex said:
4 years later and you still can’t get FSDj to drive with your hands on your lap. What a success.

So your problem is that you can’t drive with your hands on the lap ?!

jeremymc7 · May 6, 2023

archae86 said:
Seems unlikely. The two versions reported as previous installations by TeslaFi are 2023.12.1.1 and 2023.6.11, neither of which is listed as an FSDb version.

Isn’t it only listed as FSDb when it’s confirmed. Potentially they could be / have been but just haven’t been identified/ confirmed ?

Ramphex · May 6, 2023

Knightshade said:
Other than the fact he never gets a hand-nag I didn't see anything the current FSDb can't do in that video (and I've certainly seen anecdotal reports of people claiming they can go more than 1:56 without getting a hand nag FWIW)

I’ll go ahead and assume you either have Model 3 or Y. FSDj on my refresh Model S is ass.

EVNow said:
So your problem is that you can’t drive with your hands on the lap ?!

I want that smooth experience with no jerking off the steering yoke, yes, then I’ll stop bitching.

Knightshade · May 6, 2023

First I'd say given how sped up the Tesla video is it's unclear to what degree there's any jerk at all---- Second I'd say to my knowledge the refresh S is running the same FSDb a 3 or Y is running (and likely doing it on a better media computer than most 3/Ys are)- is there a video of whatever issue you're talking about on yours?

Ramphex · May 6, 2023

Knightshade said:
First I'd say given how sped up the Tesla video is it's unclear to what degree there's any jerk at all---- Second I'd say to my knowledge the refresh S is running the same FSDb a 3 or Y is running (and likely doing it on a better media computer than most 3/Ys are)- is there a video of whatever issue you're talking about on yours?

I’ve posted a couple of videos here of it doing nonsensical things but overall experience on my refresh isn’t smooth, ton of hesitations, slamming brakes while full speed coming up on cars that are stopped at red lights, lane pin balling, getting out of lanes before up coming turns just to try to squeeze back into them or miss the turn and then reroute. Just complete outright nonsense that even an inexperienced driver wouldn’t do. But then there are all these shills with 3/Y posting all these great smooth no intervention for 100,000 mile drives. Starting to get a bit suspect that 3/Y have a better FSDj experience.

WilliamG · May 7, 2023

Ramphex said:
I’ve posted a couple of videos here of it doing nonsensical things but overall experience on my refresh isn’t smooth, ton of hesitations, slamming brakes while full speed coming up on cars that are stopped at red lights, lane pin balling, getting out of lanes before up coming turns just to try to squeeze back into them or miss the turn and then reroute. Just complete outright nonsense that even an inexperienced driver wouldn’t do. But then there are all these shills with 3/Y posting all these great smooth no intervention for 100,000 mile drives. Starting to get a bit suspect that 3/Y have a better FSDj experience.

That is exactly my experience with FSDj, too.

Dennisis · May 7, 2023

WilliamG said:
I bet if we search TMC for the word "junk", @jebinc will hold 97% of the usage on this forum.

Just 97%?

SeattleFSD · May 7, 2023

EVNow said:
@WilliamG , @SeattleFSD - have you guys setup some time to test it out ? Latest video by @SeattleFSD seems to be starting in West Seattle ?

Drop me a line where and when. Next weekend would be perfect - my Mon thru Thurs is pretty busy. Anywhere within 30 mins of the Seattle area is cool with me. I assume you all have GoPros etc to document and someone has put together a test plan and route?

Mr. Michael · May 7, 2023

Mine drives through red lights when I’m the first car. Mission accomplished. Mine goes into the wrong lanes so it can’t continue the route. Misssion accomplished. I think I saw that these features were included in the fine print.

aronth5 · May 7, 2023

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jebinc said:
And waiting for the next release…

“In the beginning…” releases would occur every two or three weeks. Now, wide releases seems to be 5-6 months apart...

So, while we wait...

Your message is getting a bit old don't you think?

Enright · May 7, 2023

Knightshade said:
But the only folks who are missing entire promised features from when they actually bought the thing are the pre March 2019 FSD buyers- all of whom paid a LOT less than 10k for it at least.

BTW - Anyone with a vision-only car (virtually all cars manufactured over the past 2+ quarters with no USS) is still missing significant functionality with no ETA - including Summon and Autopark, which are clearly on the list of FSD features.

This is probably about a million or more vehicles by now. I feel like I always need to point this out lest these poor souls be forgotten.

jebinc · May 7, 2023

aronth5 said:
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Your message is getting a bit old don't you think?

What’s getting old are all the fanboys, influencers and posters claiming how mind blowingly great FSDj is. Now that’s an inaccurate broken record.

jebinc · May 7, 2023

Dewg said:
It was funny for awhile. Now it's just bloating the threads and starting to get annoying.

Okay, no more “1-800-Got-Junk” photos… But, I’m not going to post how great FSDj is, unless it one day actually is. Today is not that day, however.

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