They will. Latest forecast is in 2 weeks.
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FSD is a fraud
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Absolutely, it always is. And always will be, at any given point in time!
Ha.ha.ha. Had me for a second. I don’t have social media so I cannot keep up to date with every post about this stuff.
Sorry, it's just the age long joke with Elon. Or dare I say, the 2-week old joke. Ok. I stop now.
Well I don't know but for my 02 if the system is full self driving then there should be no need to even have controls in a vehicle that is "full self driving" capable. The controls would be redundant and useless unless provided just for the novelty of driving the car yourself. That is probably sometime down the road before we see cars and systems that will be able to competently handle anything that they would encounter in the wild and truly be able to drive themselves without any driver intervention whatsoever from point A to point B doorstep to doorstep / parking stall to parking stall.
I'm not sure if you're implying that you bought FSD therefore the car should be doing that today. Which I would agree, but it's not what Tesla is selling therefore not something anyone bought. You bought the FSD Capability, which is currently a set of features + a promise for future upgrades.
Same sign at my favorite watering hole it says "free beer tomorrow". Actually I know some people that have paid as much as 5K or more for FSD and have nothing, probably don't even still have the car they paid for the option on. Certainly wouldn't be anything I'd be willing to pay for until it is prime time and it works and it has cleared all regulatory hurdles and can be used in all 50 states. YMMV ..
No I have not nor would I have paid for FSD even if it was an option at the time. My car is a 2012 model S 85. No self-driving on that baby I still have to do it the old fashioned way.
But if I were to and likely we'll order a new model S in relatively short order there's no way I'm going to check the FSD box I just don't see any value in it without knowing when it's actually going to happen. But again that's just me.
In 2 weeks?
I like how you see it. I respect your point of view. I decided to jump in because I am confident that prices will increase. Paid 8K but financed. I think it made sense and I have no regrets, but again, I read a lot about it and I knew where I getting myself into. I think we both have different (but educated) opinions, and it's fine!
MXLRplus
Active Member
It can be an attempt to acquire money by deception. When Elon oversaw construction of the November 2016 video and allowed it to say "Awaiting Regulatory Approval" when he knew the video was not their FSD software, and that regulatory approval was least of the limitations of the system, while encouraging people to buy an 'unlock code' that turned on Full-Self Driving, he intentionally collected money he was not entitled to. That Nov 2016 system was not powerful enough to do FSD, and it still isn't. Watch how slowly it reacts to sudden changes in the lane markers or barriers. We aren't even nearly quick enough to avoid moving objects since we can't always avoid static objects.
This is an observation. I did not go into FSD blindly. But the OP does have a valid point. It's been almost 5 years since it's been "just waiting for approval".
CyberGus
Not Just a Member
Can you show me where Tesla guaranteed level five full self driving by a specific date in your bill of sale?
And before you go digging up old tweets from someone who owns only a fraction of Tesla shares, and has been scolded for his Twitter antics before, and has previously admitted he doesn’t know the difference between two weeks and two decades, for time is eternal to him, December isn’t a date, it’s a month. As long as it’s released in a December, Elon wins!
Spacep0d
Active Member
Well I ordered my M3 with FSD before that, and there was no such claim as I checked carefully over what I was purchasing.
jimm01
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Terminator857
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Where did Tesla claim that? Are you saying the name "Full Self Driving", implies level 5? I would tend to agree it at least means something close to that. Otherwise it should be called almost full self driving or wannabe full self driving.
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
ROFL at that above promise/pipe dream!!
This is Elon once again trying to give this impression of "autopilot" "flight navigation" blah blah...like this car is a F*&ng plane. I'm a pilot...trust me, the yoke is a great invention, for a plane, and operating it on the 3 axes of flight. Car, well IDK...haven't tried one.
What makes a stupid round steering wheel so great BTW? Or a flat bottom one for that matter many put on vehicles now?
An airplane yoke only goes about 90 degrees either direction, whereas a steering wheel goes lock to lock many times. So, that could be a bit strange..but likely wouldn't bother me at all.
Agreed about FSD in general, even crappy "autopilot" which slams on the breaks when it gets 75ft from a car ahead and you stare at the review mirror quickly wondering if the person behind is going to smash into the rear of you due to the stupid "vision" system. I know, it isn't intended for anything but divided highway operations...but hey, that means stop/go as well on a highway with traffic many have daily.
But I know, there are great "beta" videos of FSD v9 that shows the car driving smooth for like 70 people that actually have it in the wild.
People should be pissed, at themselves and Tesla for buying into something that has never existed for the average consumer.
With that said, let's hope V9 driving characteristics for vision cars trickles down to regular autopilot use/function to make it a better experience in general, and of course for the FSD people, you know...to make them feel like they got at least $100 worth of something for their $10k!!
This is Elon once again trying to give this impression of "autopilot" "flight navigation" blah blah...like this car is a F*&ng plane. I'm a pilot...trust me, the yoke is a great invention, for a plane, and operating it on the 3 axes of flight. Car, well IDK...haven't tried one.
What makes a stupid round steering wheel so great BTW? Or a flat bottom one for that matter many put on vehicles now?
An airplane yoke only goes about 90 degrees either direction, whereas a steering wheel goes lock to lock many times. So, that could be a bit strange..but likely wouldn't bother me at all.
Agreed about FSD in general, even crappy "autopilot" which slams on the breaks when it gets 75ft from a car ahead and you stare at the review mirror quickly wondering if the person behind is going to smash into the rear of you due to the stupid "vision" system. I know, it isn't intended for anything but divided highway operations...but hey, that means stop/go as well on a highway with traffic many have daily.
But I know, there are great "beta" videos of FSD v9 that shows the car driving smooth for like 70 people that actually have it in the wild.
People should be pissed, at themselves and Tesla for buying into something that has never existed for the average consumer.
With that said, let's hope V9 driving characteristics for vision cars trickles down to regular autopilot use/function to make it a better experience in general, and of course for the FSD people, you know...to make them feel like they got at least $100 worth of something for their $10k!!
What seems especially questionable here is how much of the onus is put on regulatory approval and not on the technology/software, I'd say this blurb suggests the tech/software is already there but deployment hinges on validation and regulatory approval in each jurisdiction.
Strong usage of the word "will" seems dicey as well, these statements are not very open to interpretation. Your car will do this and your car will do that, and then finishing with a statement about using your Tesla to generate revenue through car sharing and ride hailing with details to be released "next year".
Not a legal expert but those seem like huge risks. I remember when the big story was people being able to have their car out making money driving other people around when the owner wasn't using it -- how soon do we see that happening?
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