FSD v12.x (end to end AI)

[Mardak]

Unexpected things happen in the real world, and it's better for Tesla to fix the software now than after rolling it out to us.

Assuming both reports (video and comment) are actually with 12.4, it could potentially reflect the neural networks are overfitting to cleaned training data and overeacting to unexpected real world differences, e.g., camera calibration or sensor quality. Something simple as a bug splat partially blocking the front cameras in just the "wrong" way could confuse neural networks especially as predictions in general are made more sharp.

12.4 neural networks can still be 5x-10x better in the expected conditions but also perform worse for unexpected situations.

 

[rlsd]

Agreed, I think they are way more focused on getting all to V12, that 12.4 is a low priority right now

I wonder it's better for Tesla to keep separate firmware branches for different hardware sets instead of lumping everything to the main branch to reduce the complexity.

Similarly with FSD branches. Should Tesla have geofenced FSD? (NA, EU, RH Drive countries, China). Will this help reducing memory and CPU usage?

 

[aronth5]

Lots of speculation on when v12.4 is released but is there any confirmation that the majority or even a significant number of Tesla employees have v12.4? I would think that would come first.

 

[sleepydoc]

Anybody else tap on the accelerator to creep forwards or go faster?

All the time. I’d never make it up to the speed limit otherwise.

 

[sleepydoc]

Good example of hand gestures today.
Lights at intersection were off. Police office was in the middle of the intersection directing traffic with gestures. FSD totally bailed.
No wheel of death, FSD just disabled on it's own. I suspect it saw a stationery pedestrian and didn't know what to do.

This is the type of error that would prevent robotaxi from working so support for hand gestures will have to be a priority. I have many occurrences every week where I live.

True, but why are you so focused on Robo taxis? I don’t think any of us here want to use our car as a Robo taxi we’d all be happy with solid level three performance.

 

[rlsd]

Forget 12.4.

New topic for this weekend: "FSD will have chill, standard and hurry modes" - Elon

https://twitter.com/x/status/1796715946918228360

 

[lzolman]

So you’d rather have a light to despise?

I'm not sure I'd despise the light. I despise the sticker because of what it looks like. I've posted about that before and won't be responsible for adding to the number of participants here who already can't un-see it.

 

[Daniel in SD]

True, but why are you so focused on Robo taxis? I don’t think any of us here want to use our car as a Robo taxi we’d all be happy with solid level three performance.

Can't use L3 if you're drunk.

 

[fasteddie7]

Maybe it’s not 12.4 that’s the holdup, based on the now six 2024.14.x updates, maybe there’s a an issue that’s present in 2024.9.x also that they can’t seem to iron out.

 

[rlsd]

Forget 12.4.

New topic for this weekend: "FSD will have chill, standard and hurry modes" - Elon

https://twitter.com/x/status/1796715946918228360

Someone needs @gottagofast mode.

 

[FSDtester#1]

Maybe it’s not 12.4 that’s the holdup, based on the now six 2024.14.x updates, maybe there’s a an issue that’s present in 2024.9.x also that they can’t seem to iron out.

They are focusing on getting all fsd cars off V11, this has been apparent by seeing all the iterations of fsd software going to different vehicles. There is no .9 branch issue.
Not 1 time in 3 years has Tesla ever had 6 plus versions of fsd, in this case all 12.3.6. at the sams time. They are struggling with the different models and hardware to achieve it. Once they iron it out, all the OG testers will move from 3.25 to the working branch of 2024.9.5 or 2024.9.5.1 and so on.
@JulienW predicted over a week ago, we might 1st see V12.4 on a 24.9.6 or .7 or later.
He was right on track

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

Can't use L3 if you're drunk.

No one with current vehicles is getting Robotaxis. People just need to get over it and stop dreaming silly dreams.

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

No one with current vehicles is getting Robotaxis. People just need to get over it and stop dreaming silly dreams.

Interesting, @Daniel in SD thinks Robotaxis are imminent (within next 5-10 years).

 

[LowlyOilBurner]

Can we please get this fvcking auto speed control bull$hit fixed? I’m sooooo sick of the -9mph to +17mph in posted speed limits on a lot of the roads near me???? Had a cop tail me for like 6miles this evening likely because “auto speed” was doing 49 in a 40. That’s borderline grounds for a ticket. I shut it down, not just because of the speed issue, but the lane keeping makes me look like I just ripped 8 shots of stumblemintz. Another reason to get pulled over.

I want the speed control of 11.4.9 back. It worked. I’m not getting a fvcking ticket because of some BS “Ai” driving the car that doesn’t work properly all the time on all roads.

The lane centering is way off too as of recently on 12.3.6. I have a road near me that has a sharp 90deg turn in it. FSD used to handle that turn perfectly, now it crosses the yellow and barrels into the oncoming lane, on a blind curve on a hill. This is awful. If the report of 12.4 is true, it looks like this is worse. Get your $hit together Tesla, at least let me control the speed… k thanks

 

[gsmith123]

For me it's the in-lane positioning and following distances that are annoying me. Neither is truly dangerously egregious but bad enough that it has moved monitoring FSD from "chill" to vaguely annoying.

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

I want the speed control of 11.4.9 back.

Have you tried manual mode, lol?

(Manual mode is identical to auto mode, as has been proven here, except for set speed offset.)

Agreed it is terrible.

The lane drifting is vaguely invigorating and amazingly consistent. I let it do a near kiss of a center divider right here at 50mph (usually barreling recklessly to the invariably red light at Mira Mesa) every time I go past. It goes on the yellow (can feel the bump of the concrete/asphalt interface) and is within 12 inches or so I would estimate. Amazingly consistent - it takes the same incorrect line every single time, night or day.

But yes, Robotaxis. Why (tf) not?

Get your $hit together Tesla, at least let me control the speed…

Wouldn’t be Tesla if they did. They are directed by someone with very poor comprehension of the intricacies, apparently - seems to be spread way too thin and wasting his very limited cycles on unnecessary nonsense. Probably would be fine with some refocusing but tough to get out of a rut once you’re in it.

 

[phxazcraig]

I'll chip in with a few minor complaints. I've been using 12.3.x for a couple of months now, and I'm happy with it as a driver's assistant feature. Aside from how it drives, I have issues with the user interface. Bring back the scroll wheel for speed adjustments! Especially lower speeds. I use the foot pedal all the time to speed FSD up, but I have no way to slow it back down aside from disengaging. And why can I speed it up from the pedal but not the scroll wheel? Then the steering wheel nag - wouldn't it be better if you could nudge it like the accelerator to make small lane adjustments? And then when FSD disengages, I want the option to have it drop to TACC. Better yet, I want it to drop to TACC when the speed limit is over 50, but drop to nothing when speeds are lower (in town). On the highway I don't want the car suddenly slowing when FSD stops, but in town I also don't want it speeding back up to TACC speeds if it disengages at a stop sign.

 

[sleepydoc]

Can't use L3 if you're drunk.

then don't drink.

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

Bring back the scroll wheel for speed adjustments!

but I have no way to slow it back down aside from disengaging.

And why can I speed it up from the pedal but not the scroll wheel?

Manual mode! Won’t fix having to use the accelerator but you can certainly cap the speed using the scroll wheels. And no you cannot speed it up with the scroll wheels unless it is currently capped which is unusual (though possible).

Added bonus (or detriment): it’s 100% identical to what you are using with the exception of set speed offset.

 

[sleepydoc]

Manual mode! Won’t fix having to use the accelerator but you can certainly cap the speed using the scroll wheels.

Added bonus (or detriment): it’s 100% identical to what you are using with the exception of set speed offset.

Manual mode still doesn’t work. It lets you set a max speed but never actually gets up to it.