sleepydoc
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This is exactly where driver assistance features like FSD shine. Humans are prone to distractions, leading to countless accidents and deaths.
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FSD v12.x (end to end AI)
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- #fixphantombraking autopilot chill is not chill elon is an ass fix fsd extreme late deceleration fsd does not commit to go fsd does not maintain proper speed fsd hard and late braking fsd jerky driving fsd late deceleration fsd stops too early too quickly fsd stops too far behind line fsd tailgating in city streets
sleepydoc
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Well, not yet but we are certainly closer. I don’t think anyone can definitively say that it is or is not possible without LIDAR at this point.
Knightshade
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Except most states with laws allowing self driving explictly cite to the SAE J3016 document to define the terms, modes of operation, etc.
They specifically call out your car has to meet the standards defined there to be classified under the law a certain level of self driving.
So yes, they absolutely carry a lot of legal strength.
As you've had pointed out to you multiple times in the past when you made this erroneous claim.
sleepydoc
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Let us know how that 1 hour demo drive goes!Well I guess I get to be one of the first guinea pigs to see if we really get FSD 12 pre installed on new deliveries
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It's fine if you don't understand the SAE levels.
0-A 1950 F150 cannot automate anything, even the gas pedal.
1-A 2000 Honda Civic can automate speed control, but cannot brake or steer.
2-Tesla's FSD cannot drive itself. It needs a driver to monitor and make corrections, but with consistent supervision can steer, accelerate, and brake.
3-Mercedes can drive itself within extremely limited conditions. It requires a driver in the driver's seat, but when activated, the driver doesn't have to pay attention and can watch a movie or read a book.
4-Waymo can drive itself, but it's mapped. So not everywhere.
5-No current car can drive everywhere, without a driver.
sleepydoc
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I'm not aware of any nav software that allows you to specify a specific route.
Agian you don't know what you are talking about. The levels ARE SAE specifications. If you don't believe how important SAE standards are just look at this example. Tesla opened the NACS charger port/plug to everyone. In order to do that they had to send the specs to SAE for them to be standardized and released. Here is from Tesla.com.
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Its about time someone comes up with a nav software which allows that!!
Carry a copy of Elon's My Space and email and demand they honer it.Well I guess I get to be one of the first guinea pigs to see if we really get FSD 12 pre installed on new deliveries
Knightshade
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FWIW back in the day when I used a standalone Garmin nav it allowed you to construct, and save, specific routes as favorites.... haven't seen this offered on any built-in navs though.
KArnold
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My 5-mile trek from the local SC home never offers my preferred route, even as an alternative. I pick the one that starts out properly and along route before a wrong turn check for alternatives again. My next preferred turn now shows as an option. I have to repeat that process again another mile down the road. Easy when you get used to it while we wait for the tech to improve (like "remember this route").
sleepydoc
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When you're in a hole it's best to stop digging.
I think anyone familiar with this topic agrees but it's certainly getting closer to L3 minus the graceful handoff that would be needed. Earlier I said I "believe" V12 indicates FSD can achieve L3 but it's not there yet.
Today 6 short drives, all between 2 and 8 miles. Zero disengagements and no interventions. A couple of times I could have used the accelerator but there was nobody behind me. Handled several complex intersections very well. V12 continues to impress.
TeslaInfo has release notes from vehicles for both 2024.2.12 and 2024.2.13 where they have an entry for Autopark under 2024.2.11:
2024.2.12:
Your vehicle can now automatically park — and parallel park — in designated spaces.
When you're driving at low speed, your display highlights potential parking spaces. Autopark shows a circular P symbol to suggest a space, but you can choose any highlighted space.
To start parking, stop the vehicle, press Start, and release the steering wheel so it can move freely. Refer to the Owner's Manual for more detail.
As with all Autopilot features, you must continue to pay attention and be ready to take immediate action including canceling Autopark.
2024.2.13:
Your vehicle can now automatically park — and parallel park — in designated spaces.
When you're driving at low speed, your display highlights potential parking spaces. Autopark shows a circular P symbol on the targeted space.
To start parking, stop the vehicle, press Start, and release the steering wheel so it can move freely. Refer to the Owner's Manual for more detail.
As with all Autopilot features, you must continue to pay attention and be ready to take immediate action including canceling Autopark.
So looks like S/X don't allow for choosing as the FSD visualization is on the instrument panel instead of center touchscreen. I've often wanted to drag/zoom the 12.x visualizations around to get a better look at the end-to-end blue path, but because it's not on the touchscreen, that interaction is completely gone in S/X. Are there other incoming 12.x features that might want user interaction that could have delayed or at least different S/X features?
Edit: Actually, looks like S/X allows selecting via scrollwheel and pressing the same Autopilot scrollwheel to activate:
I will take others down with me and use their bodies to climb out of the hole
Whoa... Just saw teslafi report an upgrade from 2023.44.30.25 -> 2024.3.5
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