Comparing the roughness of a drive to an Uber/Lyft or Waymo is not a fair comparison. In both those cases, you are not responsible for the actions of the car, you are only responsible for your own safety. That additional responsibility for both the vehicle and everyone else on the road raises the expectation for the quality of the drive to that of what one can do driving manually. After all, it is one's financial health that is on line here - insurance costs after an at-fault accident, repair costs ranging from scraped panels to damaged wheels, and medical costs/loss of income from even a minor accident requiring attention and/or recovery time. And the mental health cost from causing life-changing injuries or death to someone else if there is an avoidable or at-fault accident.
You would likely stop an Uber trip early if the driver was obviously impaired or incompetent because of the danger to your own safety. In the case of impairment or extreme incompetency you may also call police to make others safer on the road.
If every Uber/Lyft drive was terrible, you'd find people avoiding using that service for their own peace of mind.
Reading through the comments in this and other threads, I see the same tendency to avoid using FSDS in order to protect oneself or others. Many people voice the thought that they would not pay for FSDS, or the opinion that V12 is a giant leap forward (I share that view) but not ready for daily use for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that for City Streets it is not an
assistant but an incompetent co-driver to keep in check.
And there are some who see extreme incompetency worthy of contacting the authorities to have the product taken off the road.
I can't imagine FSD would pass that test at all.
Of the 80,000 KM, our car has gone, about 2/3 have been driven with me as a passenger and a small subset with me in the backseat. On road trips in our previous vehicles, I would work in the back seat when it wasn't my turn to drive. I haven't tried this with V12 (there's no point, it is using V11 on freeways) but it has not been possible in the MY, I get headaches and general malaise from the motion sickness.
I can't work in the front seat either, but I can, at least, read my phone or tablet and, with more difficulty, paper documents. Note: this is with the car being either manually driven or with some form of ADAS beyond TACC. For V11.4.x on freeways, with me in the front seat, I get less car sick than usual and prefer my husband to use it (previous versions made me sick). If I'm actively co-piloting (watching out for errant FSD behaviours, managing NAV or other screen settings, general route planning, talking with the driver over what he's experiencing) I don't get car sick because my body is anticipating the motion of the car and focusing on contributing to the drive. I don't get any car sickness when driving the car. Including on the 4000km road trip I took on my own.
Over 6 decades, I have never felt car sick in any other car.
But I don't know if the blame for this is due to FSD. How much of this is due to the rough ride of the MY, the design of the back seat where seeing out the front is limited, or the pulse of the regen creating a surge/ease movement in addition to the rough ride? I'll admit our highways here are in terrible shape but that has always been the case, so the PriusV and Odyssey that I worked from before would have experienced the same rough roads and didn't result in car sickness for me. Both had back seats with views forward and the PriusV even had the recliner seating option (fully reclining the front passenger seat level with the back seat bench, so I could sit in the back seat slightly reclined, legs lying on the back of the front seat, and nap with a neck pillow, still safely constrained by the seat belt in case of accident.) That feature gave us the ability to go places and was why we bought that car before our usual 8 year cycle was up, I was recovering from hepatitis when the car was bought and couldn't be out of bed for more than 2 hours at a time. It is a major reason why I loved the car so much, it gave me back a bit of my life. (The tesla similarly gave us some life back by being our mobile isolation unit during covid so I laud it for that.)
I will say that my inability to work in the car on road trips is a major negative as that makes much of the travel time 'wasted' and the 'breaks' during charging are not where I would choose to stop and reset my brain. I really dislike road tripping with the tesla compared to our other vehicles. It takes longer and I cannot make good use of the time so it leads to me further resenting the car I doubt FSD will ever make a difference with that as I feel the car design itself is what leads to the car sickness.
