Does it show it is a turn lane on the screen? (Does it know either from map data or looking at the arrow in the lane?)
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FSD v12.x (end to end AI)
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- #fixphantombraking autopilot chill is not chill elon is an ass fix fsd extreme late deceleration fsd does not commit to go fsd does not maintain proper speed fsd doesn't read signs properly fsd hard and late braking fsd has decision wobble fsd jerky driving fsd late deceleration fsd sometimes may not detect train crossings fsd stops too early too quickly fsd stops too far behind line fsd tailgating in city streets
Not sure since I don't look at the screen when it is F'n up. Will try the same tomorrow and look if traffic permits.
Map data can sure miss it up. I have a traffic island that when I navigate it routes around the island as if it were a Traffic Circle. Have to disengage to not look like a fool. This has been this way since 10.2 or so and v12 still does this. So weird that Vision doesn't override the inaccurate routing data.
FSDtester#1
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Todd Burch
14-Year Member
I’m thinking that “leak” of 12.4 a few days ago was fake. If you followed the posts from him on Twitter, he was no longer a Tesla employee when the video was recorded and said a few other questionable things.
I can't wait for the day when the highway stack goes to v12.
The v11 highway stack is usually pretty good, but it does a terrible job of merging into a lane w bumper to bumper traffic. It will slow down, speed up, turn on its blinkers, turn off its blinkers, and repeat a combination of these behaviors before finally getting into the new lane.
It's extremely unnatural and unhuman like and if I was the car behind the tesla, I would think the person driving is an idiot.
The v11 highway stack is usually pretty good, but it does a terrible job of merging into a lane w bumper to bumper traffic. It will slow down, speed up, turn on its blinkers, turn off its blinkers, and repeat a combination of these behaviors before finally getting into the new lane.
It's extremely unnatural and unhuman like and if I was the car behind the tesla, I would think the person driving is an idiot.
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Many ex employees still get first releases. There are 2 or 3 in a FB group I am in.
sleepydoc
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Agree - I just watched the videos. It’s impossible to tell since it’s just dash cam footage but it does not at all behave like FSD.
Todd Burch
14-Year Member
That doesn't sound intentional--it could be that Tesla forgot to remove those ex-employees' vehicles from the "alpha" tester list. Seems like a potential lawsuit waiting to happen if a non-employee got a version to test with before releasing to the public and there was a problem.
stopcrazypp
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My understanding is any versions that reaches employee personal vehicles are already early access Beta. Actual alpha releases would be in company owned vehicles.
FOOLSLFDRVNG
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Have people pay for beta and have your now free employee beta test. Brilliant!
henderrj
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Just for my clarity please. This is with nav set to go someplace? I've just barely downloaded 12 so haven't had a chance to even try it yet. With 11 if you don't have the navs set it does stupid stuff like that all the time. Pretty useless actually! So, just trying to make sure I understand. (Sorry if this is this blatantly obvious.)
TBH I don't recall taking notice of this. I will wait to get 12.4 and take the same road and verify
Yes.
EDIT: Just to add I'm still extremely optimistic and overall happy about the direction FSD is on since the v12 implementation. However it is important that this improper lane selection problem be address especially early on since it is likely that Tesla plans to at least base the Robotaxi software off of v12.
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Isn't there a rumor that Tesla already has a Robotaxi specific version of FSD?
And it didn't used to do that. I've done a coast-to-coast and two almost same road trips in my first two years ('21-'23) and it never had the lane change thrash. It boggles the mind how something so obnoxious becomes so prevalent at the "mature" end of the highway stack?
12.3 always tries a left turn from the center lane at a major intersection on the south end of our town. It is freshly painted and the traffic lights and turn lanes are clearly marked. The intersection was revised a year ago. Clearly it is following old, out of date, inaccurate maps and no way does it read lanes, lane arrows or pay attention to traffic signals other than color.
It does in some cases. An intersection I go through just had a turn lane added, and FSD saw and visualized it as soon as it opened up.
willow_hiller
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v12.3.6 was bad last night. After getting into freeway 405 in Orange County to go to San Diego about 1 mile, FSD wanted to exit in .1 mile. The car was in lane 2 and it signaled and changed to right lanes to exit. I had to disengage to stay on the freeway. I am not sure it's a map problem. That section of freeway just went through a major reconstruction in the last 2 years. 1 or 2 more lanes were added and there were entrance/exit detours. The construction is complete now.
Or, your map was updated. How do you know it wasn't? If you live in a place where the maps are constantly updated and accurate, you wouldn't know.
What you are proposing, that FSD reads signs and lanes some places and not in others, makes no sense to me. How could that even be? Mind you, I agree that it used to. It's broken now.
