You are completely talking past the points that most of us are making. Yes, the Model 3 will probably never be as mainstream as a Camry. Your fallacy was that it was ever intended to be, because it wasn't. That doesn't mean Tesla won't sell as many as they can build (which is a whole lot less than any of the other car manufacturers are able to build). This is Teslas first attempt at a high volume (i.e. Mass Market) car. Their projections are ambitious (both on the sales side and the production side), but if it even sells half as much as they are predicting it will be a wild success.
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Here's why the 3 isn't a mainstream "affordable" car
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You are completely talking past the points that most of us are making. Yes, the Model 3 will probably never be as mainstream as a Camry. Your fallacy was that it was ever intended to be, because it wasn't. That doesn't mean Tesla won't sell as many as they can build (which is a whole lot less than any of the other car manufacturers are able to build). This is Teslas first attempt at a high volume (i.e. Mass Market) car. Their projections are ambitious (both on the sales side and the production side), but if it even sells half as much as they are predicting it will be a wild success.
JeffK
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Let's not forget that EVs used to be more popular than gasoline cars... People changed back then.
They were noisy, dirty, smelly and good luck finding a gas station.
chronopc
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Please let these 200k be ahead of me.Not when 200,000 will be canceling their reservations.
Wow! 12,500 in tax incentives? Ohio needs to get on the ball with that. And you get to use the hippie lettuce lol
For me as a reference point, I could afford a Model S if that was my priority, but it's not -- having a nice house is. My wife and I drive two 15 year old Accords (plus have a big 3/4 ton Yukon for hauling stuff).
We have two M3s reserved, but I'll probably get a base model 3 + PUP + Color for her, mostly for safety, and because the 3 is such a fundamental leap forward compared with literally everything else. We're switching from typewriters to computers here. However, we're saving to build our dream house so I'll probably wait on our second vehicle which is my commuter car.. until after we build and have a better idea of post-house finances.
About the only alternative we'd consider is a 2-4 year old Accord hybrid. I wouldn't buy anything else new because it's too close to just getting another M3 anyway. So to me it's all about value. M3 has the best value, but happens to be #2 or 3 on the priority list of our finances.
ModelNforNerd
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Yea, in MA, between state and federal incentives, I'll be seeing $10,000 back.
And that's independent of the liberal attitude towards "hippie lettuce".
Well I didn't say it wasn't an option- just inconvenient for many. The inconvenient part isn't plugging the vehicle in, it's hiring an electrician to put a fast charge in your garage. Some people just view this as a hassle plain and simple. For me I got lucky and my laundry room is directly off of the garage. I was able to buy a NEMA adapter and use my existing dryer plug for 18mph home charging.
I'm not sure what is so inconvenient about having an electrician come over for a few hours and put a plug in? It's a lot easier than making car payments
chronopc
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That's valid, especially for condo/apt dwellers, but if people had the ability to put a mini-gas station into their home for $500 - $1,000, you can bet there'd be lots of those. Granted we're in new construction and a single-family home, but it took one phone call, $500 (plus the $500 Tesla HPWC), and a tech about an hour to get us home charging...so it was about as simple as it could be. And we got 30% back in tax credits on all of that, so it was actually around $700. And the HPWC isn't even necessary. It'd be a couple hundred bucks less (and even simpler) to just install a NEMA 14-50 if you're fine with that look and feel.
I actually had a friend in high school who lived in a rural home and was pretty wealthy. Their family had a small gas tank (couple hundred gallons) at their house that was refilled by a tanker every couple weeks so they'd just fill up at home. There were plenty of gas stations nearby (within 10 or 15 mins) but I guess they liked the convenience of filling up at home. Only time I've seen that, but the point above reminded me of it.
chronopc
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The dryer option is not a bad one. Just make sure to limit the amps else you might set off the breaker. From what I gather it's about $500 to install a dedicated outlet to charge the car.
Feeling the way you do, I can't imagine why you wouldn't. I sure would if I felt like you.
My in-laws have a tank at their house that they just stopped using about 2 years ago. The tanks don't last forever, and they didn't want to spend the money on the bladder that would have extended the life of the tank. They retired years ago and are down to one car, so can't really blame them for letting the tank go.
I'm glad for it. I like them and it's nice to know they'll stay fairly novel because most people only want what they've seen over and over again already.
I'm not sure what is so inconvenient about having an electrician come over for a few hours and put a plug in? It's a lot easier than making car payments
the quotes I've gotten from Seattle electricians make this a $1k-$2k inconvenience (to install a NEMA 14-50 outlet 2 feet away from my garage fuse panel).
Planning to try out plugging into a standard wall outlet and see how well that does at replenishing our daily 10-mile roundtrip commute.
I imagine you'll be fine replenishing from your daily commute. Take a long drive on the weekend, however, and you might find it takes at least a couple days to recover.
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