JRP3
Hyperactive Member
I guess you have better cable service. Anytime I've checked it's always been slightly or significantly below the max.That's just flat out false.
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I guess you have better cable service. Anytime I've checked it's always been slightly or significantly below the max.That's just flat out false.
If so, why don't the 100 cars charge 35% faster than 75's? 100's intensionally wasting owners' time at the superchargers?
A slight bit more even, but likely you're right. Many like referencing the Superchargers as 150kW or 135kW or whatever. If the 120kW is already maxing out the chargers, indeed little point making the packs larger from that perspective. I'm sure any other bottlenecks on board the car could be address if Tesla so wished.That would be 130 kw. For all we know there is some other limitation other than what the pack can handle. For example, charge port, cabling, etc. I don't think we have any recent evidence of any vehicle charging faster than 120 kw. We assume this is the theoretical maximum that the battery can accept, but that may not be correct.
But 135 or 150 increases the throughput and reduces the time for all vehicles at busy superchargers. I.e., first car to paired charger takes ... whatever (90, 116...); next car into the second of the paired chargers (assuming all other stations are already full or the driver doesn't know about the paired limitations) gets what is left over... so, a 150 supercharger will deliver a lot more to the second car.A slight bit more even, but likely you're right. Many like referencing the Superchargers as 150kW or 135kW or whatever. If the 120kW is already maxing out the chargers, indeed little point making the packs larger from that perspective.
That would be 130 kw. For all we know there is some other limitation other than what the pack can handle. For example, charge port, cabling, etc. I don't think we have any recent evidence of any vehicle charging faster than 120 kw. We assume this is the theoretical maximum that the battery can accept, but that may not be correct.
I'm getting slightly lower than my advertised speeds for my internet service, but I'm ok with that:I guess you have better cable service. Anytime I've checked it's always been slightly or significantly below the max.
I'm getting slightly lower than my advertised speeds for my internet service, but I'm ok with that:
As a side note, I have a loaner pack in my 90 due to some dead modules in my permanent pack and just took that same trip. Was getting between 104kw and 115kw, it was nice having full speed charging again. The throttling is definitely tied to the pack.
Also, they have a new Supercharger station in Colby KS, hallejula! It's so nice compared to the rest of the dumps they have the SCs at on that stretch of I70 between KC and Denver. It's at the Oasis there, with a dog park (My dogs thanked me profusely for having a place to pee this trip), Starbucks, Quiznos, gas station, the works... it's such a nice place to stop compared to all the rest. I wouldn't mind a 94kw charge rate at that station.
I owned a Model S 85 for 2 1/2 years and have now had my Model X 90D for over a year. Currently, it seems Superchargers are not delivering anywhere near the charge rate in the last 6 to 8 months that I received the first 3 years. Tesla is diffidently limiting my charge, either with the SC or my car. Other than a trip to Canada last fall, I do not use Superchargers more than about twice a month for trips. I even charge at a 26 amp, 240 volt, rate at home and keep a 80% charge level unless traveling. I only have around 14,000 miles on the Model X.
PS: My car was in for annual service a couple of months ago and there were no issues found with it.
Dead modules, or dead cells? If you lose a single module, that would drop voltage of the pack by 24 volts, and you'd be stuck at a slower supercharging rate due to this. Is it possible that your service center somehow missed the dead modules (Surely they didn't?), or is this a development since after this thread was started?
It was a development after the thread was started. Sometime in August, my range suddenly dropped significantly and my max amps on a Ludicrous launch was reduced. They checked and found a dead module and sent the pack out for refurbishment.
Bjorn Nyland got a replacement 90 pack after the gremlins that goes him towed twice were not found soon enough. He still enjoy fast charging. The pack I think declares its age/history to the car, and the car or battery make sure to charge slower after a certain exposure to DC fast charging.It will be interesting to see if your Supercharging usage gets reset as part of refurbishing the pack... (Assuming you actually get your old one back someday.)
Hi everyone. I just got off the phone with Tesla with some disturbing news.
My car has approximately 30,000 miles on it. I regularly use CHADeMo to charge my car, with the occasional Supercharger charge on road trips. On my last road trip, I noticed that my supercharging rate was significantly reduced, usually staying between 75 kw and 90 kw. At first, I thought it was the station, but each Supercharger on my trip had the same behavior. So I bought my car in for service last week.
After the technicians went over the and presumably consulted with the mothership, it was determined that the car has now entered a permanent degraded mode where it will no longer allow fast charging to "prevent battery degradation." Read that again... that's right... if you use Superchargers or any DC Fast Charging, including CHADeMo, your car will eventually enter into a permanently degraded mode that will prevent you from charging your car at reasonably fast speeds.
I am, to say the least, livid. I am waiting for a call back from management, but presumably, they are going to explain to me that there is nothing they can do. This is akin to the Ludicrous launches being restricted, without warning or any communication from Tesla. But this... is much worse.
It's worse because it affects every Tesla vehicle. Every Tesla, not just Ludicrous mode Teslas, will permanently and irrevocably degrade their charging capabilities if you use DC Fast Charging of any kind more than the unusual rare occasion.
I'm honestly speechless at this. To the best of my knowledge, it has never been communicated from Tesla, until now, that using any kind of DCFC will permanently degrade your vehicle. Yes, we all know that charging to 100% regularly is a bad thing, but just regularly DC charging is also apparently just as bad, according to Tesla. But to make matters worse, it's not the battery that's degraded or causing the slow down, it's Tesla's charging algorithm that will slowly start to degrade your charging on each "count" of DCFC. According to the tech I talked to, there is an internal counter that increments each time you DC charge, and once that reaches certain thresholds, it starts restricting your top end charging ability. Presumably, if one keeps charging DC, over time, you will be restricted further and further.
This, ostensibly, to prevent Tesla from having to pay out to replace degraded batteries under their unlimited mile warranty. So over time, it will take longer and longer to charge your car. Already, this adds a significant amount of time to my road trips by restricting my charging from a previous high of 117 kw to ~90 kw on a good day. Road tripping in my Telsa already takes 2x as long as a gas car, but now it's taking even longer. I can't imagine wanting to take this car on any further road trips at this point.
Tesla needs to do something about this. This is not ok. It is not ok to remove critical functionality from the vehicle, every vehicle, without warning and without prior notice. I simply would not have purchased this car if I was informed that it would lose the ability to charge the battery over time, especially such a short time frame (1 year / 30k miles).
Hi everyone. I just got off the phone with Tesla with some disturbing news.
My car has approximately 30,000 miles on it. I regularly use CHADeMo to charge my car, with the occasional Supercharger charge on road trips. On my last road trip, I noticed that my supercharging rate was significantly reduced, usually staying between 75 kw and 90 kw. At first, I thought it was the station, but each Supercharger on my trip had the same behavior. So I bought my car in for service last week.
After the technicians went over the and presumably consulted with the mothership, it was determined that the car has now entered a permanent degraded mode where it will no longer allow fast charging to "prevent battery degradation." Read that again... that's right... if you use Superchargers or any DC Fast Charging, including CHADeMo, your car will eventually enter into a permanently degraded mode that will prevent you from charging your car at reasonably fast speeds.
I am, to say the least, livid. I am waiting for a call back from management, but presumably, they are going to explain to me that there is nothing they can do. This is akin to the Ludicrous launches being restricted, without warning or any communication from Tesla. But this... is much worse.
It's worse because it affects every Tesla vehicle. Every Tesla, not just Ludicrous mode Teslas, will permanently and irrevocably degrade their charging capabilities if you use DC Fast Charging of any kind more than the unusual rare occasion.
I'm honestly speechless at this. To the best of my knowledge, it has never been communicated from Tesla, until now, that using any kind of DCFC will permanently degrade your vehicle. Yes, we all know that charging to 100% regularly is a bad thing, but just regularly DC charging is also apparently just as bad, according to Tesla. But to make matters worse, it's not the battery that's degraded or causing the slow down, it's Tesla's charging algorithm that will slowly start to degrade your charging on each "count" of DCFC. According to the tech I talked to, there is an internal counter that increments each time you DC charge, and once that reaches certain thresholds, it starts restricting your top end charging ability. Presumably, if one keeps charging DC, over time, you will be restricted further and further.
This, ostensibly, to prevent Tesla from having to pay out to replace degraded batteries under their unlimited mile warranty. So over time, it will take longer and longer to charge your car. Already, this adds a significant amount of time to my road trips by restricting my charging from a previous high of 117 kw to ~90 kw on a good day. Road tripping in my Telsa already takes 2x as long as a gas car, but now it's taking even longer. I can't imagine wanting to take this car on any further road trips at this point.
Tesla needs to do something about this. This is not ok. It is not ok to remove critical functionality from the vehicle, every vehicle, without warning and without prior notice. I simply would not have purchased this car if I was informed that it would lose the ability to charge the battery over time, especially such a short time frame (1 year / 30k miles).
I must have lucked out with my 90.I believe 90 kWh batteries have seen the worse degradation in many ways, compared to better behaving 85 kWh's and somewhat better 100 kWh's. There are technical changes/reasons behind this, apparently.
I must have lucked out with my 90.
Rated at 257 and still charging full to 252 after 20 months and 40k Miles.