So the top of the line fully loaded 3 is still a fair bit lower than the base stripped down i-Pace, pretty much exactly like the Model S. Why not just buy an S?
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So the top of the line fully loaded 3 is still a fair bit lower than the base stripped down i-Pace, pretty much exactly like the Model S. Why not just buy an S?
N5329K
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Aren't most vehicles sold as _UV's just raised hatchbacks/wagons? I've also seen them described as minivans with nose jobs, too.
You're buying style, seating height and cabin space without the minivan stigma, and, usually, without the off-road capability of a real _UV (though there are some exceptions to that).
I have no requirement for a real SUV, and no use for a fake one. I have been a station wagon fan for some time, though.
Robin
seattlite2004
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Looks like Jag has a build your own configurator. Here is one I specd out:
Light interior with dark "suedecloth"
headliner: Build your NEW ALL-ELECTRIC JAGUAR I-PACE
They also have a brochure: https://www.jaguarusa.com/Images/X590_I-PACE_19MY_MB-US-EN_V3g_DX_tcm97-497681.pdf
I'm comparing to the Mod 3 cuz...its the latest and greatest EV and its pretty fancy. Mod S/X .. they are kinda dated now...just read the Mod 3 owner reviews comparing their Mod S/X interior to their Mod 3.
Also, it seems the Jag the following cool features:
Light interior with dark "suedecloth"
headliner: Build your NEW ALL-ELECTRIC JAGUAR I-PACEThey also have a brochure: https://www.jaguarusa.com/Images/X590_I-PACE_19MY_MB-US-EN_V3g_DX_tcm97-497681.pdf
I'm comparing to the Mod 3 cuz...its the latest and greatest EV and its pretty fancy. Mod S/X .. they are kinda dated now...just read the Mod 3 owner reviews comparing their Mod S/X interior to their Mod 3.
Also, it seems the Jag the following cool features:
- "Active Key" wristband. Along with the smart key, keyless entry...apps, etc. Also works with Apple Watch.
- HUD
- Heated Steering wheel
- Air and Active suspension
- Powered hatch
There seems to be a lot of incorrect information in this thread.
One post said that the I-PACE lacked Over the Air updates, but I specifically remember seeing that it has this capability. Now sure you can't update it to give it FSD capability like Tesla CLAIMS the Model X can do. No, instead Jaguar sells it with a system that works today. It might not offer as much, but it does what it does. Adaptive Cruise control is enough for a lot of us as everything further than that never seems to work right. I say this as a AP1 owner.
There also seems to assumption that Tesla has leather seats. If you look at the Model X configurator Tesla doesn't mention Leather. They just mention Premium Seats without mentioning material.
To me the interior quality of the I-Pace along with the fit and finish is vastly superior to the Model X. Do we all need to be reminded that Tesla has a hard time with Interior materials?
The biggest problem with the I-PACE is all the unknowns regarding charging on road trips.
But, if you want a small cross-over Electric vehicle then the I-PACE is all there really is. The Model X is a little big, and there has been some serious quality issues with it as it's overly complicated. It's also not what I'd call a SUV that one can't take off-road so it's more like a large cross-over.
The Tesla Model Y won't be released for awhile.
I'm definitely going to look at the I-PACE, but the lack of a supercharging type network will likely keep me from getting it. Instead I'll likely go from the Model S 70D to the Model 3 LRD, and I'll live with the less than desirable UI/UX that it has. Some people say the I-PACE has too many knobs, but at least you know what each one does. With the Model 3 pretty much every single review is complaints about the UI/UX.
Personally I'm thankful for the competition and the options. Having to pay nearly 100K for 170-180 miles (in actual real range from point A to Point B) was a bit maddening.
One post said that the I-PACE lacked Over the Air updates, but I specifically remember seeing that it has this capability. Now sure you can't update it to give it FSD capability like Tesla CLAIMS the Model X can do. No, instead Jaguar sells it with a system that works today. It might not offer as much, but it does what it does. Adaptive Cruise control is enough for a lot of us as everything further than that never seems to work right. I say this as a AP1 owner.
There also seems to assumption that Tesla has leather seats. If you look at the Model X configurator Tesla doesn't mention Leather. They just mention Premium Seats without mentioning material.
To me the interior quality of the I-Pace along with the fit and finish is vastly superior to the Model X. Do we all need to be reminded that Tesla has a hard time with Interior materials?
The biggest problem with the I-PACE is all the unknowns regarding charging on road trips.
But, if you want a small cross-over Electric vehicle then the I-PACE is all there really is. The Model X is a little big, and there has been some serious quality issues with it as it's overly complicated. It's also not what I'd call a SUV that one can't take off-road so it's more like a large cross-over.
The Tesla Model Y won't be released for awhile.
I'm definitely going to look at the I-PACE, but the lack of a supercharging type network will likely keep me from getting it. Instead I'll likely go from the Model S 70D to the Model 3 LRD, and I'll live with the less than desirable UI/UX that it has. Some people say the I-PACE has too many knobs, but at least you know what each one does. With the Model 3 pretty much every single review is complaints about the UI/UX.
Personally I'm thankful for the competition and the options. Having to pay nearly 100K for 170-180 miles (in actual real range from point A to Point B) was a bit maddening.
In price comparison one other thing that's important to point out is the $7500 tax credit is likely going to expire for Tesla fairly soon.
Where for Jaguar it probably won't ever expire until the program is stopped.
Where for Jaguar it probably won't ever expire until the program is stopped.
JohnSnowNW
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The _UV classification is too broad if it's being used to compare the i-Pace to the Model X. If people are going to try to draw legitimate comparisons between vehicles there come a point where you have to use common sense. The Model X isn't directly comparable to the i-Pace in the same way a Yukon Denali isn't comparable to a Honda Crosstour.
EV-lutioin
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Actually, the iPace is more similar to the Model 3 in size than the Model X, I think it just looks bigger because of all the cladding and loud design accents. Given the similarities in size, the M3 AWD LR at ~$49,000 base price looks like a bargain over the iPace at ~$72,000.
........................Model 3 .............iPace ................Model X
Length...............185 ....................184...................198
Width..................76 .......................79 ....................82
Passengers..........5 .........................5 ..................... 7
Cargo..................15 .......................23 .....................68
Head room f/r ....40/38 .................40/38 ...............42/41/31
Leg room f/r.......43/35 .................41/35 ...............41/38/33
I like the amber "sequential" turn signals on the rear.
Seems safer & more noticeable than the little red segments on the 3.
Seems safer & more noticeable than the little red segments on the 3.
C141medic
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They could pull a Tesla where they say it's going to be alcantara, but then it doesn't actually end up being alcantara.If it doesn’t say alcantara I dont want it.
seattlite2004
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N5329K
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Personally I'm thankful for the competition and the options.
Me too. Though the .29 cd is not so great.
Robin
Me too. Though the .29 cd is not so great.
Robin
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The iPace also is not price competitive with comparable ICE CUVs. It is designed to be a niche vehicle to avoid taking sales from Tata’s Range Rover and Jaguar brands.
Unless there is a substantial price cut and fast-charging network sales will likely will be very small.
This is one of the nicer EV designs out there IMO but EV sales from Jaguar/Land Rover and the other legacy car companies will be disappointing until they make the investments in batteries, EV drivetrains and charging networks necessary to manufacture and support a large fleet of competitively priced, high quality EVs.
In terms of real cost I wonder what the supercharger network is worth per vehicle. We're starting to see competitors to Tesla, but we can't seriously consider them because they don't come with this.
I basically came to the same conclusion that despite being a nicer overall vehicle (quality, fit/finish, interior materials, etc) the I-PACE is not really competitive to what Tesla has to offer largely because of the lack of a substantial Charging Network. Maybe it will be more competitive in markets with better public charging, and in markets that are more quickly adopting electric vehicles. I imagine it might sell well in China.
When I purchase my next EV I'll have a map of the charging network that each vehicle can charge at where the map only includes charging sites that have more than 4 stalls along with a charge capability of 100KW or greater.
But, I wonder how many first time EV owners will do this. I'm doing this because I enjoy the freedom that my Model S gives me, and I don't want to give it up. I honestly didn't even road trip much before the Tesla, and I probably would have missed out on the experience had the I-PACE come first. It's also not just road trips, but it's unexpected journeys as well. With the 240 mile range without a network you have to chop that in half. So your real world radius is around 100 miles. That might be fine for 95% of the time, but that last 5% is a killer.
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Jaguar makes an electric vehicle that Tesla doesn't make.
The All-Electric I-Type Is Jaguar's First Race Car in Five Years
gg_got_a_tesla
Model S: VIN 65513, Model 3: VIN 1913
There are a lot of I-PACE threads going now, but, have you guys seen this? Jag is claiming superiority over the X:
Video - Model X vs Jaguar I-Pace drag race commercial
Video - Model X vs Jaguar I-Pace drag race commercial
Been discussed. Jaguar pulled off a switch. Guy said he wanted a X P100D, and so they gave him X 100D. Non-P.
EV-lutioin
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