Competition is good. Tesla has a few things to learn from how Jaguar is introducing ipace globally. I wish Jaguar all the best and hope they eat up a good part of the EV market across the pond. Sometimes lessons are only learnt the hard way.
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Agree, especially on the dealership and autopilot points.I am not a fan of the I-Pace for the following reasons:
Having said the above, I welcome Jaguar as a player in the EV market. The more EVs on the road, the better for all of us.
- old school interior, too many buttons and dials
- exterior looks like ICE car, what is the purpose of that huge grille?
- terrible Cd, will not be nearly as efficient as a Tesla
- dealership network and the resulting screwing
- apparently no opportunity for OA improvements to onboard software
- No availability of FSD
- Inferior autopilot
- Jaguars first attempt at a mass market EV will surely result in many service calls that will make Tesla problems seem trivial
- Buying foreign will hurt US balance of trade, I do think that once foreign mfg. EVs hit the US market in larger numbers and Tesla/GM reach the threshold, the federal EV tax credit will be "adjusted" to disfavor foreign mfg.
- I-Pace will be a dinosaur in two years when MY debuts with close to 400 mile range
- no supercharger network
I am not a fan of the I-Pace for the following reasons:
- No availability of FSD
Well, Tesla is probably the only car maker in the world that take away 1 foot rollout from there acceleration times on some of there cars and Drag times do the same thing. If you look at the true 0-100 time wish I'm 99% sure that Jaguar use then I Pace is faster.Drag Times put the Model 3 on the meter and did 4.6sec 0-60. So the Ipace is .1 of a sec faster then the model 3 LR, but the model 3 DLR or RLD with dual motor will be faster and will have almost 100 more miles of range for a car that is almost identical in size. (1" longer and wider while being 5" shorter vs the SUV being higher off the ground)
In terms of real cost I wonder what the supercharger network is worth per vehicle. We're starting to see competitors to Tesla, but we can't seriously consider them because they don't come with this. <snip>
The Supercharger network is clearly a huge selling point for most people. In terms of the head-to-head comparison with the Model 3, I think the biggest advantages of the Model 3 AWD LR are:
IMO, these four factors make the iPace uncompetitive with the Model 3 (and Model Y when it comes out).
- Price: ~$49K for Model 3 v. ~$70-75K iPace (US pricing released March 6)
- Range: 310+ v. 240
- Supercharging network
- Autopilot
To me, the iPace is a repeat of the Bolt scenario -- it is priced at a huge premium to comparable ICE cars and cannot conveniently be driven long distances because of the lack of a fast charging network. I think we likely see the same results -- disappointing sales.
That's too bad, because the iPace does seem like an attractive CUV that people might buy in significant numbers at a better price point (~$45-$50K base) with a good fast charging network.
The only thing you are wrong about is that they will sell every one they can make, which won't be that many. None of the magical new EVs are slated for much production. Mostly compliance level. Jag maybe 10k this year and 20k/y going forward and they will sell everyone they make.
Speaking of compliance, Tata motors should be able to use this vehicle for Zev credits in California for all the land rovers they sell.
The only thing you are wrong about is that they will sell every one they can make, which won't be that many. None of the magical new EVs are slated for much production. Mostly compliance level. Jag maybe 10k this year and 20k/y going forward and they will sell everyone they make.
Speaking of compliance, Tata motors should be able to use this vehicle for Zev credits in California for all the land rovers they sell.
30.000 this year and between 30.000 and 60.000 next year, thats what you could read in articles about suppliers here in Germany. According to this numbers a complience car like Model S and X.
Any thoughts? It seems like the Jaguar I-PACE is really nice car. Will cost around the same as fully speced TM3. Has a little less range, but is more roomy , has basically the same acceleration. Also has normal dash and knobs you know Only thing that keeps me from taking it as a serious competitor to TM3 is the absence of Supercharger network. What is your thoughts guys?
Edit : Also the interior materials looks much better than TM3 or even S or X
If that's true then it's great but what I have read on several websites is that production was planed for about 15k per year. Do you have any source for that information?
The answer to that question will depend on each individual and how many long distance miles they drive each year. It is not possible to state an empirical value.In terms of real cost I wonder what the supercharger network is worth per vehicle.
Personally I'm thankful for the competition and the options.
Me too. Though the .29 cd is not so great.
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I think this is why they are doing it as the height probably helps to move up the seat a bit without killing the headroom.I can see that several car companies are producing CUVs/crossovers for their first electric car. That seems like a mistake. The CUV aesthetic requires a flatter nose and a steeper windshield. Both are bad for the Cd value, and CUVs are also taller which is bad for the CdA.
... and has been famous for their quality that entire time. Not famous in a good way, mind.Yep 0, but have made cars since 1935. Hopefully not too much rattling from the front suspension then.
30.000 this year and between 30.000 and 60.000 next year, thats what you could read in articles about suppliers here in Germany. According to this numbers a complience car like Model S and X.
So would I rather have a $35K car with 200 mile real world range and existing Supercharger network or a >$70K car with a 200 mile real world range and no plans for a Supercharger network? The answer is easy for me, but others will come to a different conclusion.