Wiki MASTER THREAD: Actual FSD Beta downloads and experiences

[powertoold]

I remember watching James Locke videos, and for a whole year, he kept snapshotting a merge where fsd didn't signal. I found that pointless. Just imagine being on Tesla's end, sifting through endless pointless snapshots. Might as well go out and drive beta themselves, rather than waste the time looking at our snaps. I usually only need 1 mile of beta driving before some issue comes up.

 

[boonedocks]

Those running the beta....I understand the car will creep forward to an intersection if it needs to. How does it handle a stop sign (incorrectly placed ages ago) that is 100ft before the actual intersection. No way to see any traffic in any direction until you actually go past the stop sign to the intersection.

 

[mxnym]

I am curious if anyone has ever had to apply the brake when stopped at a red light or had a car directly in front of them. Meaning, the car just took off when it clearly shouldn't. It hasn't happened to me once, but it's the main reason I keep my foot hovering over the brake at every stop. I would like to relax at these stops and would like any feedback. Thanks!

You mean like this post a page before yours? Go back to it, pictures are shown.

Took my son-in-law for a drive to see FSD and in the first 30 seconds he saw these two problems as he seriously considers placing an order for a MY.

1. Ran my first stop sign today. Great visibility and fortunately no other cars around. Tried the intersection a second time and the car slowed down 20 feet before the sign and then zoomed right thru the stop sign again. Sign is fairly tall but otherwise seems like a million other stop signs.
2. FSD also failed to change the speed limit with this sign. I assume the Turtle Xing sign below it was the reason. Email both pictures to Tesla FSD beta team along with the standard snapshot during the drive.

Technically, you say "took off," which may intend to imply "stopped first." So maybe you should refer to this post on the same page:

Weird moment today where I was the only car in a left turn lane with a red arrow. The car randomly had the planned path go crazy for no apparent reason, wanting to go into the adjacent lane to the right and then complete the left turn against a red light and the car actually moved forward a little, forcing me to hit the brakes. Tried to re-engage and the car creeped forward a bit with the light still red, and I wasn’t risking it so I hit the brake again and left Beta off until I completed the turn myself. Weird enough that I hit the button to send in a clip in addition to my disengagements. The car also still remains strangely fond of trying to change out of the proper lane when it’s getting fairly close to a right or left turn. I assume it thinks the car in front is too slow and just wants to pass, but I don’t know for sure. I just hit the opposite direction on the signal stalk to cancel, and sometimes have to do that a couple of times. Tesla may want to remove speed based lane changes (which I assume this is) for Beta, because it makes some really dumb decisions, presumably because it can’t see the long line of cars in the lane and assumes it’s only the car immediately in front of it that it needs to pass.

In this case, since he took over, we don't really know what the vehicle would have done, but waiting to see what the car would do is inherently unsafe and potentially leads to you driving illegally. It's a pre-release beta; it's not (yet?) a driver aid meant to allow you additional relaxation.

 

[qdeathstar]

Took my son-in-law for a drive to see FSD and in the first 30 seconds he saw these two problems as he seriously considers placing an order for a MY.

1. Ran my first stop sign today. Great visibility and fortunately no other cars around. Tried the intersection a second time and the car slowed down 20 feet before the sign and then zoomed right thru the stop sign again. Sign is fairly tall but otherwise seems like a million other stop signs.

You should be disengaging there and coming to a stop.

1. FSD also failed to change the speed limit with this sign. I assume the Turtle Xing sign below it was the reason. Email both pictures to Tesla FSD beta team along with the standard snapshot during the drive.

 

[qdeathstar]

Those running the beta....I understand the car will creep forward to an intersection if it needs to. How does it handle a stop sign (incorrectly placed ages ago) that is 100ft before the actual intersection. No way to see any traffic in any direction until you actually go past the stop sign to the intersection.

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It will probably go through it then slam on the breaks once it realizes it’s in an intersection

 

[TIppy]

Those running the beta....I understand the car will creep forward to an intersection if it needs to. How does it handle a stop sign (incorrectly placed ages ago) that is 100ft before the actual intersection. No way to see any traffic in any direction until you actually go past the stop sign to the intersection.

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Often Beta will stop well ahead of the stop sign and then creep interminably to the intersection until it can see cross traffic. I imagine the same will happen here.

 

[hamoneaster]

I was driving to work today -- Had a school bus stopped in front of me picking up some kids. It was flashing, had the stop sign thing out. FSD tried to overtake it and continue....yikes!

 

[TIppy]

I was driving to work today -- Had a school bus stopped in front of me picking up some kids. It was flashing, had the stop sign thing out. FSD tried to overtake it and continue....yikes!

Yep. Chuck Cook reported this ages ago. Looks like the little nippers are low on Elon's priority list. Frankly, I've noticed FSD Beta is very adhd about being stopped behind any vehicle. It often tries to pass the cars ahead of me using the right straight through lane when I'm stopped at red left turn lights.

 

[jebinc]

I have been including my VIN with every email just in case!

If you're not using the email address associated with the owner account of the car, then they have no way to associate/join your email address to the car, so including a VIN (or some other unique identifier associated with your account, like the owner email address) becomes essential, IMO.

These are good points! I send using the email address attached to my Tesla account, figuring that would provide the link to the car. I will start including the VIN as well! Thanks for the tip, @novox77

 

[jebinc]

I was driving to work today -- Had a school bus stopped in front of me picking up some kids. It was flashing, had the stop sign thing out. FSD tried to overtake it and continue....yikes!

@hamoneaster Oh yes, it does... I experienced this on my first FSD beta drive. School bus was coming towards me in the oncoming lane (of a one lane each way road, with no passing double yellow lines). School bus was stopped, red lights flashing, stop sign arm deployed and children boarding. FSD would not stop or slow down at all as it approached the stopped school bus. I had to brake and disengage via steering wheel jerk. Anyone else experience this? This is serious stuff folks, stuff that should have been caught in the one year of testing prior to this release. Maybe COVID related school closures prevented EAP testers from finding this issue?

 

[mxnym]

These are good points! I send using the email address attached to my Tesla account, figuring that would provide the link to the car. I will start including the VIN as well! Thanks for the tip, @novox77

I thought you had two vehicles with FSD? Are they on different accounts with different e-mail addresses? Otherwise you'd about need to include the VIN regardless...

 

[jebinc]

I thought you had two vehicles with FSD? Are they on different accounts with different e-mail addresses? Otherwise you'd about need to include the VIN regardless...

@mxnym No, just the Plaid. The MYP is FSD-less, thank goodness!

 

[TIppy]

@hamoneaster Oh yes, it does... I experienced this on my first FSD beta drive. School bus was coming towards me in the oncoming lane (of a one lane each way road, with no passing double yellow lines). School bus was stopped, red lights flashing, stop sign arm deployed and children boarding. FSD would not stop or slow down at all as it approached the stopped school bus. I had to brake and disengage via steering wheel jerk. Anyone else experience this? This is serious stuff folks, stuff that should have been caught in the one year of testing prior to this release. Maybe COVID related school closures prevented EAP testers from finding this issue?

It's surprising that Beta didn't stop at all. Some Eap testers found that Beta would detect handheld stop signs. But even if it had stopped, it probably would have continued on if there were no kids in front of it. I suppose it could be that the sign is on the left, but I thought I'd seen it stop for those, mistakenly.

 

[spokey]

They have to plan for the human element(s), too. Most people aren't going to remember the details days (/weeks/months/...?) later when the clips that were submitted are reviewed and context is needed. Also, say your vehicle is in your spouse's name and e-mail address, but you are the only one that does beta testing. I should imagine there are spouses who would ignore or delete those e-mails requesting context without ever mentioning them, and that's without malice in the mix.

while those are all good points, it's also true that most incidents that I would try to associate with a video snapshot would not have a very exacting timeframe. And while what you say is true, it seems like most would get through. Also if spouses delete the emails that the team is spending time trying to decipher then they could flag that tester as non-responsive.

I guess the bottom line that everyone seems to agree on is the Tesla should have done a better job of setting this up. I'd think a press of the snapshot followed by a button press to activate a voice message might be best. Then the team could get the full subjective response from the tester listening to the horror and quiver in their voice

 

[Daniel in SD]

I'm thinking the sticker should be:

This is not Drunk Driving
This is Full Self-Driving (Beta)​

I was driving behind @AlanSubie4Life and I wouldn't have been able to tell the difference had I not known! I'm surprised no one has gotten pulled over for suspected DUI.

 

[spokey]

I have been including my VIN with every email just in case!

If you're not using the email address associated with the owner account of the car, then they have no way to associate/join your email address to the car, so including a VIN (or some other unique identifier associated with your account, like the owner email address) becomes essential, IMO.

But they used that email to tell you you were in.

 

[TIppy]

But they used that email to tell you you were in.

Not everybody got an email.

 

[spokey]

Often Beta will stop well ahead of the stop sign and then creep interminably to the intersection until it can see cross traffic. I imagine the same will happen here.

I got that a lot at first but not recently. I do get the slow creep/stop in to the intersection

 

[TIppy]

I got that a lot at first but not recently. I do get the slow creep/stop in to the intersection

Every approach to the same intersection can be new and exciting, because they use a stochastic algorithm to find the path, and it can be different each time. Indeed, eap testers have reported turns that have worked many times, that fail miserably by turning into the oncoming traffic lane.

 

[jebinc]

Every approach to the same intersection can be new and exciting, because they use a stochastic algorithm to find the path, and it can be different each time. Indeed, eap testers have reported turns that have worked many times, that fail miserably by turning into the oncoming traffic lane.

This is scary; how would one ever feel relaxed knowing that performance at the same intersection, in the same conditions will vary so widely. I'm I reading you can have 10 successful turns, at the same intersection, and then the 11th turn may be into oncoming traffic?!