JeffK
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You don't have to believe me, you can check out the UBS estimate of manufacturing costs if you like. ($28,700)
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ℬête Noire
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ℬête Noire
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Answer the question: "So what bearing does that factoid [built in the same factory as a Sonic] have on the cost to manufacture the Bolt?"
JeffK
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ℬête Noire
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Putting a pin in the issue with that reasoning.....
So why did you give the list price of the Sonic? Why did that matter?
JeffK
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Not all manufacturing lines are created equal. Model S/X for example cost more to manufacture than Model 3 even if you subtract the marginal price of the vehicle itself.
ℬête Noire
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Keep going, finish your thought already, because it's all still clear as mud.....
seattlite2004
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Execept for: Android Auto/Carplay, heated steering wheel, key FOB, 360° camera, one pedal driving, and AM radio. Hard for me to spend 49k+ and not get those items...but it would be easier for me to drop 35k and not get those amenities.
ℬête Noire
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Versus Tesla's media & nav? Seriously? I find it near useless, it's gotten to the point that the only thing I use it for is Pandora, and that only because I HAVE to to play Pandora through the car speakers.
Oh, and if I open Pandora via the touch screen it hangs nearly all of the time, I have to initiate it via the phone instead. I don't even try use the map, I just run directly via my phone. I'd love to be able to see the street map overhead, scroll around occasionally like I did with the Acura, but it just isn't usable [in any safe matter when at the wheel].BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Okay, now you can't be serious there.
That's just a checkmark, in place of a better backup camera.
That is actually nice...for some slice of the country.
So even using your own cherrypicked little list you went, maybe, 1-3-1.
Self crush.
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Knightshade
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Yes, Teslas media and nav do seem pretty useless- thanks for pointing that out!
The media especially seems horrific... low-bitrate 64kb streaming from only a single provider, USB media interface that was dated years ago and can't remember how to resume, no direct-plug playback from phones at all (BT only), no aptx support over BT, etc...
Carplay would be an massive improvement over what Tesla offers here right now.
The nav is a lot better than it used to be, but it's still lacking features my 10 year old garmin had, so carplay would let me use my phone instead (and as of iOS 12, use waze right on the cars screen)
Neither of these will stop me from getting a model 3- but they're things that are noticably awful about a car that's so advanced in so many other ways- and there's a slew of threads about just how awful they are all over the forums.
seattlite2004
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Yep...love the Waze, Google Maps....and...the Google Assistant. "Hey Google...does Tesla have Android Auto...." I was suprised that all I had to do was just say "hey Google" to bring up the assistant...no button pushes....nice...no need to type in anything for nav...and of course other assistant stuff...calls, send texts, etc. To bad it ain't wireless....maybe in a few years in the next gen of EVs.Versus Tesla's media & nav? Seriously? I find it near useless, it's gotten to the point that the only thing I use it for is Pandora, and that only because I HAVE to to play Pandora through the car speakers.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Okay, now you can't be serious there.
That's just a checkmark, in place of a better backup camera.
That is actually nice...for some slice of the country.
So even using your own cherrypicked little list you went, maybe, 1-3-1.
Self crush.
Yeah...Pandora sucks...Spotify is better....maybe you need a better phone....cuz you might need it with your Model 3. Since youll have both....give us the low down on which is more reliable/convenient.....Bolt key FOB or the Model 3 card/app. My S5 was slow...but the Pixel 2 is MUCH faster..then again....I have a new phone...thus not cluttered with extrenous background processes from previously loaded apps. XM is also cool...just gotta find a deal on a subscription....still kicking myself for not getting that XM lifetime deal a few years back.
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chronopc
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How does Android Auto typically work? Will the app project onto the screen in the car?
ℬête Noire
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Phone more reliable than FOB, hands down. Because I’m never w/o my phone?
I don’t actually have both in my garage yet, btw.
And phone speed isn’t the issue. It’s the drill-down & split-personality nightmare UX. Baffles me that you’d even try to pick among the wreckage of the Bolt’s computer system to look for positives.
Complaining about button trigger for voice commands? +_+
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ℬête Noire
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You drill down menu tree to get to get to it. Or it can get triggered from phone.
It’s like a full screen-only emulator box running inside the car’s overall computer interface system. AA is a little better than CP but the result is a Frankenstein monster UX.
Very cool in rentals considering the alternative but for your own car it’s inherently clumsy.
chronopc
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I actually really like using the Tesla map because it integrates battery and supercharger information. I wouldn't mind being able to use Google Assistant thought. The voice commands of the car can use a big upgrade.
voip-ninja
Give me some sugar baby
According to motor trend the Tesla handles like an Alfa Romeo Giulia, which is high praise. It is priced accordingly.
This reminds me of those threads on Bimmerfest in which someone moaned about how overpriced a bmw 330i was compared to a loaded Hyundai.
The Koreans build good cars. They, with very few exceptions, do not build fun cars. If someone wants an EV on a budget and is willing to forego some of the things Tesla does very well then have at it.
This reminds me of those threads on Bimmerfest in which someone moaned about how overpriced a bmw 330i was compared to a loaded Hyundai.
The Koreans build good cars. They, with very few exceptions, do not build fun cars. If someone wants an EV on a budget and is willing to forego some of the things Tesla does very well then have at it.
ℬête Noire
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Truth is I’m loath to use any voice command stuff, only if I must. The trigger word makes it worse.
I haven’t gotten to use M3 map on the road, only in an S & that was slick as sex. I did get to play w/the M3’s parked. Looking roughly comparable.
I think there’s fundamentals, too, that the Bolt just doesn’t have screen real estate & touch quality to work with to build something to compare, and they can’t really iterate to catch due to lack of OTA. Waze’s edge over Tesla’s live data can’t really save it in the end. Best Waze could do is convince me to using my phone direct for Nav in M3, too.
I do like the Bolt, no regrets about the purchase, drive it every chance my wife lets me , but computer UX is a weak point for it. You can really feel where in the car GM shortcut.
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Adm
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There are actually 12 just in the Netherlands alone, but only one single 175 kW charger and one or two 50 kW chargers per station. Image the joy of watching an e-Golf hugging the 175kW charger charging at 40 kW while you are waiting with your Kona or iPace. More are planned for Holland and Belgium, but with the flood of iPaces and Kona's arriving soon, it's going to be fun how this evolves. There is more capacity available to place more chargers (8 total per station), but that will take some time.
You should know that there is still some difference between WLTP and EPA And I think that I have read that Kona with 64 kWh battery will have a EPA range around 250 miles so little better then Model 3 SR.
You have to take in to consideration the usability of CCS chargerers, how many member chip(app or card) would I need to get if I want to make a European round trip with CCS easy, 10 or 20? There Tesla Supercharger still have a huge benefit.
