sflgator
Active Member
Nice. And the white PLAIDs indeed have black door handles and the rear CF spoilers.
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That’s a good observation. You have a point there, which means they are adding to the cars waiting, hopefully ready to go.
brunla
MS-LR / MSM / Black / Arachnid / FSD
The hypocrisy of Tesla strikes again. Yesterday I went to a different dealership in Southern California and was told that the Long-Range are being delivered first. I said "Really? Before Plaid?" and she said absolutely yes. Then today I called my own SA at a different dealership in SoCal and he said the Plaid are all going out first, and none of the Long-Range. I said "What about all the LR's sitting around in the lots?" He said he wasn't aware of any sitting around. Man this is nuts that nobody in this company can give consistent information. That's the signpost up ahead - your next stop, the Tesla Zone!
boonedocks
MS LR Blk/Blk 19”
Lesson of the day……How many times has it been said in the thread that the SA’s collectively know less than we do here.
Hayseed_MS
Spreader of "Endless Non Sequitur"
They were scrounging the parts bins and found enough parts to put together one more 2018 silver S. Some lucky TMC member will be getting a surprise.
epotter
Member
Idle, uninformed speculation [1] based on the latest video:
In the last several videos there have been smurfloads of MSs piled up, stashed in random places, as well as a large and growing (?) number of castings. The cars started stacking up around the time that everyone started getting June delivery windows; so it seems like Tesla felt like the production line was solid and they were ready to ship those cars.
... But then they didn't? Maybe there were killer quality issues, or missing parts, but they made a bunch of cars and decided they couldn't ship them. June dates mostly disappeared. The stashed MSs suddenly got dumped to the logistics yard, then off to ... some other parking lot nearby, rather than 'round the country, so whatever the issue is, it's not something they seem to feel confident that the local centers can handle.
There are still huge piles of castings (Model S? X? Others? Not sure how to tell) but those piles don't seem to be shrinking, and though there are still a bunch of MSs at the factory, they weren't in the Logistics lot (aside from a handful of stragglers). In the dust lot by the railroad tracks, aside from the stacks of castings, there were a few new MSs; maybe it's a dust ingress testing area
Based on delivery windows mostly disappearing, and the cars being moved to a rented lot rather than delivery centers, it seems likely that there's some hardware issue that needs addressing [2] still, and it's complex enough that it has to happen at the factory. Which also suggests that all of the cars at the rented lot will have to go back to the factory and be refitted before shipping out. If they indeed aren't making new MS cars, which might be debatable (were bunch of MSs at the factory new builds, or did they just not get send off yet?) that also suggests that they either a) don't have a solution for what is wrong, or b) do have one but it's far enough away that they aren't making new cars because they'll run into the same storage problem.
Alternatively there's a safety or regulatory concern, e.g. with the battery, and they don't want to ship out a bunch of cars that then have to come back, but if it's that I'd imagine that it's something major, like the battery pack. I doubt this though; not for any good reason I'm just more convinced by the quality explanation. Whatever is wrong/missing clearly doesn't prevent them from driving but it's bad enough that they aren't sending them very far from the factory.
Anyway my hot take is that they made a bunch of cars using the production line, but something is Bad, so they stopped doing that and have to hold on to what they built until a fix is done, approved, and installed, so my MSM/Cream/19" S that I ordered in December will ship a month or so after the cars in that rented lot start showing up on trucks back in the Logistics lot. September?
I don't think it'll be June, or even July; if it was that soon I'd expect to see more MSs being produced. The piles of castings do suggest that whenever they're ready to deliver cars, they'll be able to supply multiple shifts with parts to make a lot of cars quickly.
On the plus side, I'm not in any particular hurry ...
[1] that's what we do here, right?
[2] "tweaking"
In the last several videos there have been smurfloads of MSs piled up, stashed in random places, as well as a large and growing (?) number of castings. The cars started stacking up around the time that everyone started getting June delivery windows; so it seems like Tesla felt like the production line was solid and they were ready to ship those cars.
... But then they didn't? Maybe there were killer quality issues, or missing parts, but they made a bunch of cars and decided they couldn't ship them. June dates mostly disappeared. The stashed MSs suddenly got dumped to the logistics yard, then off to ... some other parking lot nearby, rather than 'round the country, so whatever the issue is, it's not something they seem to feel confident that the local centers can handle.
There are still huge piles of castings (Model S? X? Others? Not sure how to tell) but those piles don't seem to be shrinking, and though there are still a bunch of MSs at the factory, they weren't in the Logistics lot (aside from a handful of stragglers). In the dust lot by the railroad tracks, aside from the stacks of castings, there were a few new MSs; maybe it's a dust ingress testing area
Based on delivery windows mostly disappearing, and the cars being moved to a rented lot rather than delivery centers, it seems likely that there's some hardware issue that needs addressing [2] still, and it's complex enough that it has to happen at the factory. Which also suggests that all of the cars at the rented lot will have to go back to the factory and be refitted before shipping out. If they indeed aren't making new MS cars, which might be debatable (were bunch of MSs at the factory new builds, or did they just not get send off yet?) that also suggests that they either a) don't have a solution for what is wrong, or b) do have one but it's far enough away that they aren't making new cars because they'll run into the same storage problem.
Alternatively there's a safety or regulatory concern, e.g. with the battery, and they don't want to ship out a bunch of cars that then have to come back, but if it's that I'd imagine that it's something major, like the battery pack. I doubt this though; not for any good reason I'm just more convinced by the quality explanation. Whatever is wrong/missing clearly doesn't prevent them from driving but it's bad enough that they aren't sending them very far from the factory.
Anyway my hot take is that they made a bunch of cars using the production line, but something is Bad, so they stopped doing that and have to hold on to what they built until a fix is done, approved, and installed, so my MSM/Cream/19" S that I ordered in December will ship a month or so after the cars in that rented lot start showing up on trucks back in the Logistics lot. September?
I don't think it'll be June, or even July; if it was that soon I'd expect to see more MSs being produced. The piles of castings do suggest that whenever they're ready to deliver cars, they'll be able to supply multiple shifts with parts to make a lot of cars quickly.On the plus side, I'm not in any particular hurry ...
[1] that's what we do here, right?
[2] "tweaking"
baldwin
Member
Idle, uninformed speculation [1] based on the latest video:
In the last several videos there have been smurfloads of MSs piled up, stashed in random places, as well as a large and growing (?) number of castings. The cars started stacking up around the time that everyone started getting June delivery windows; so it seems like Tesla felt like the production line was solid and they were ready to ship those cars.
... But then they didn't? Maybe there were killer quality issues, or missing parts, but they made a bunch of cars and decided they couldn't ship them. June dates mostly disappeared. The stashed MSs suddenly got dumped to the logistics yard, then off to ... some other parking lot nearby, rather than 'round the country, so whatever the issue is, it's not something they seem to feel confident that the local centers can handle.
There are still huge piles of castings (Model S? X? Others? Not sure how to tell) but those piles don't seem to be shrinking, and though there are still a bunch of MSs at the factory, they weren't in the Logistics lot (aside from a handful of stragglers). In the dust lot by the railroad tracks, aside from the stacks of castings, there were a few new MSs; maybe it's a dust ingress testing area
Based on delivery windows mostly disappearing, and the cars being moved to a rented lot rather than delivery centers, it seems likely that there's some hardware issue that needs addressing [2] still, and it's complex enough that it has to happen at the factory. Which also suggests that all of the cars at the rented lot will have to go back to the factory and be refitted before shipping out. If they indeed aren't making new MS cars, which might be debatable (were bunch of MSs at the factory new builds, or did they just not get send off yet?) that also suggests that they either a) don't have a solution for what is wrong, or b) do have one but it's far enough away that they aren't making new cars because they'll run into the same storage problem.
Alternatively there's a safety or regulatory concern, e.g. with the battery, and they don't want to ship out a bunch of cars that then have to come back, but if it's that I'd imagine that it's something major, like the battery pack. I doubt this though; not for any good reason I'm just more convinced by the quality explanation. Whatever is wrong/missing clearly doesn't prevent them from driving but it's bad enough that they aren't sending them very far from the factory.
Anyway my hot take is that they made a bunch of cars using the production line, but something is Bad, so they stopped doing that and have to hold on to what they built until a fix is done, approved, and installed, so my MSM/Cream/19" S that I ordered in December will ship a month or so after the cars in that rented lot start showing up on trucks back in the Logistics lot. September?
On the plus side, I'm not in any particular hurry ...
[1] that's what we do here, right?
[2] "tweaking"
Why would they continue the production line if they noticed a production-halt worthy issue?
My guess is Elon wants to personally test the limbic resonance of the first production lot and give them a Elon seal-of-approval sticker.
Hayseed_MS
Spreader of "Endless Non Sequitur"
I have it on good source that Elon originally was going to say "tantric tickle" instead of " limbic resonance" but since he could not say it five times real fast, his legal department advised against it.
AnselmDante
Porn Stunt Double
Wow, I step away for one day and I miss 10 pages. I'm going to go ahead and assume it was speculation, updates on delivery estimates, and a healthy dose of rumors. 
AimStellar
Member
- Thanks (as always) to @gabeincal for the latest Fremont flyover vid. That resurfaced track looks gorgeous. Look forward to (hopefully) seeing it featured as part of the June 10 event.
- Got the call about switching my Plaid+ order to Plaid today. Responded that I already had a Plaid order as well. Was told delivery as early as June for certain Plaid configurations, but white and carbon fiber interior possibly not until August. Asked to switch to the new, dark "ebony" wood, change was processed quickly over the phone.
GrnSqrl
LR,blk/blk,19”,rcd 8/25;VIN4392; only waited 235d
And we all missed the @AnselmDante vs. @sflgator battle royale.Wow, I step away for one day and I miss 10 pages. I'm going to go ahead and assume it was speculation, updates on delivery estimates, and a healthy dose of rumors.
Will the next person who gets a call about switching PLEASE ask what they know about LR deliveries? Much appreciated
I'll ping my SA tomorrow as my LR now has a more firm delivery date ("June 23-30") than my Plaid ("June") and see what the deal is.
josahua
Member
And here are some more:
In our favorite spot (5)
Near our favorite spot (~35) time - 1:30
So all in all about 125 visible at the factory and 3 in the transport area.
AnselmDante
Porn Stunt Double
No, that's the last time he hijacks comments I make to someone else because of his brittle ego. I put him on ignore after my last response to his overcompensating juvenile behavior.
I tried to simply not reply to his comments, but he keeps starting things up again. He's like an insecure child that needs constant validation. I have kids of my own to deal with.
epotter
Member
I don't think they would ... so I wonder about the MS cars visible at the factory. Were they built after the big shuffle to the rented lot, or did they just not get shuffled because they aren't in the way?
Danlbrau
MSLR 1/27/21 VIN MF443 Delivered 9/19/21!
So, here’s my conversation today with a local SA...Will the next person who gets a call about switching PLEASE ask what they know about LR deliveries? Much appreciated
Plaids are going to be a priority in June. LRs will start shipping once that backlog is filled. Got the impression if I ordered a plaid today it would be delivered before anyone got a LR.
The previous thing I was told about EOQ deliveries to Los Angeles was incorrect. Once the Plaids are filled, LRs will ship out nationwide including CA, possibly as early as July, so having a Jan LR order I MIGHT get my car in July or August, certainly won’t wait until September as told before unless there are unforeseen circumstances that delay all LRs.
There was no pressure to convert to a Plaid to get my car sooner. Apparently those conversations are to move the Plaid+ people up a year.
Hayseed_MS
Spreader of "Endless Non Sequitur"
Damn you people - quit ordering the Plaid so we can get through the backlog.
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