Wiki Model S Delivery Update

[doubleshot]

I've had RaceDeck flooring for a little over 15 years and only now is it starting to show it's age....cost about 1.3k for the main garage and half of the side one.

yea. I looked at the racedeck too. these guys manufacturer both I believe. I wanted the flow through rather than the solid because of the amount of rain we get here. my epoxy I have down would just be too slick at times. this design gives a good look. all in about $1600 for about 575 sq ft.

 

[omarsultan]

Okay, fine, but then how do I get them installed? I’m thinking about swapping in new tires, but….

edit: …I don’t know what I’m saying. I mean wheels.

The tire store you end up using will swap for you. If you go with someplace like Tire Rack the can refer you to a local tire store that can handle the swap. There is nothing special about Tesla that a competent tire store cannot handle--the only thing you need to remind them of is the lift points.

 

[MFrunkerOG]

You and me both. Got mine in boxes sitting in my garage waiting for my MS Plaid to arrive.

And I think I’ll definitely get my sv104s before I get my car!

 

[jebinc]

The tire store you end up using will swap for you. If you go with someplace like Tire Rack the can refer you to a local tire store that can handle the swap. There is nothing special about Tesla that a competent tire store cannot handle--the only thing you need to remind them of is the lift points.

Well, the nuts are torqued to 129lbft. Most shop’s air wrenches are set to 80lbft.

 

[MFrunkerOG]

Okay, fine, but then how do I get them installed? I’m thinking about swapping in new tires, but….

edit: …I don’t know what I’m saying. I mean wheels.

1. Butler Tire
2. Discount Tire
3. DIY

 

[jebinc]

1. Butler Tire
2. Discount Tire
3. DIY

3

 

[omarsultan]

So have you been able to determine if the 19” All Season tires are noisier? Some have been reporting of a hum/noise.

Yeah, I managed to test today before I put the 21s on--this was with the NIOSH app on my iPhone mounted on the windshield near the mirror.

The Michelin PSAS4 was a bit quieter on streets and about the same on freeways, there later I think is mostly because wind noise is a bigger factor that road noise at that point--really waiting to have the ANC enabled.

Beyond noises levels, there was nothing odd or notable about the tire noise. Just a reminder, this is not the AS tire Tesla is providing.

 

[Azhar]

There is nothing in the Tesla store right now - if you are looking fro tires, head over to someplace like Tire Rack and shop by size:

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Getting tires is the not the challenge, it’s the wheels to go with the 19” all season tire size mentioned in the owners manual.

 

[timmsteiner]

The 19’s look great. I’m planning on powder coating mine satin black tomorrow.

Please post pics when they are done! I might go the same route.

 

[aerodyne]

Well, the nuts are torqued to 129lbft. Most shop’s air wrenches are set to 80lbft.

And they have uncalibrated torque sticks too.

Only once in 20 years has a dealer or tire shop torqued my wheels properly.

Never been disappointed by tire rack. Happy customer since '97

 

[omarsultan]

Getting tires is the not the challenge, it’s the wheels to go with the 19” all season tire size mentioned in the owners manual.

Have you tried calling Parts--that is what I did and had rims in a couple of weeks.

 

[EndlessPlaid]

Here is Black Tesla's Part 2 of his review of the Plaid Model S!

 

[bhzmark]

Depends on if the acceleration is traction limited or torque limited. If the car can supply more torque than the tires have traction the mass of the wheels doesn’t matter.

any traction issue in a Tesla is usually over within the first 60 feet. The remaining 1000 feet are not about traction but about power to move mass. moving less mass, especially less rotational mass, will be faster.

 

[HFh]

1. Butler Tire
2. Discount Tire
3. DIY

1. Butler! I’ve used them.
2. Oh, bad experience.
3. Ha, ha, I’ve got a PhD from MIT, but can’t draw a straight line with a ruler. I am not changing my wheels myself.

 

[HFh]

The tire store you end up using will swap for you. If you go with someplace like Tire Rack the can refer you to a local tire store that can handle the swap. There is nothing special about Tesla that a competent tire store cannot handle--the only thing you need to remind them of is the lift points.

Hm. I suppose even Tesla does it?

 

[lbowroom]

any traction issue in a Tesla is usually over within the first 60 feet. The remaining 1000 feet are not about traction but about power to move mass. moving less mass, especially less rotational mass, will be faster.

Mass of the vehicle yes, rotational inertia, not so much

 

[bhzmark]

Ok. Which part of this is wrong? And why exactly?

The Effects of Rotational Inertia on Automotive Acceleration

This is the summary:

“Shaving a pound from your tires is equivalent to shaving at most 2 pounds of non-rotating weight. That's PER TIRE, so a pound off each tire could worth close to 8 pounds of weight reduction. For wheels, the multiplier is closer to 1.6, so saving 5 pounds per wheel (20 total) would feel like a static weight reduction of 32 pounds. For brake discs, it can be as low as 1.2. Regardless of the equivalent weight ratio, you're best off reducing weight as much as possible, as you might expect.”

Mass of the vehicle yes, rotational inertia, not so much

 

[lbowroom]

Ok. Which part of this is wrong? And why exactly?

The Effects of Rotational Inertia on Automotive Acceleration

This is the summary:

“Shaving a pound from your tires is equivalent to shaving at most 2 pounds of non-rotating weight. That's PER TIRE, so a pound off each tire could worth close to 8 pounds of weight reduction. For wheels, the multiplier is closer to 1.6, so saving 5 pounds per wheel (20 total) would feel like a static weight reduction of 32 pounds. For brake discs, it can be as low as 1.2. Regardless of the equivalent weight ratio, you're best off reducing weight as much as possible, as you might expect.”

Yes 0 weight would be best. I didn’t say it has no effect, I said not so much. 32lb static reduction gets you what in the 1/4mi?

 

[aerodyne]

any traction issue in a Tesla is usually over within the first 60 feet. The remaining 1000 feet are not about traction but about power to move mass. moving less mass, especially less rotational mass, will be faster.

Not sure if this is true about the plaid...seems like it pulls more than 1g for quite a while...

 

[bhzmark]

mass of vehicle yes. rotational mass, even more so.
QED

Yes 0 weight would be best. I didn’t say it has no effect, I said not so much. 32lb static reduction gets you what in the 1/4mi?