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No one expects a current production Raven to beat the Taycan...It was never designed to be a good track performer.
They have a Raven there, but are probably bench-marking the new Plaid Model S against it and possibly testing some improvements in the Raven.
The Plaid Model S is a prototype, but a prototype Tesla intends to have in production Oct/Nov 2020. That is designed to be a good track performer.
The Taycan was a prototype when it recorded it's unofficial time...
Both Porsche and Tesla need to repeat the tests with unmodified production cars...
But we can't have one rule for Porsche and another rule for Tesla, official times need rules, unofficial times can be done however the car maker chooses and it is up to them what they report.... the market and industry will eventually decide what is credible.
Scheduled for production October/November 2020.
A production car car certainly have "Plaid powertrain, ceramic brakes, wider wheels" it will come with good tires, but not necessarily the same tires the prototype is currently running.
A lot of the (likely) excellent performance of the prototype is probably due to 3 motors (2 large rear) a (probably) larger battery and smart computer software controlling the motors...
The production car will have all of that in addition to "ceramic brakes, wider wheels" with good tires..... for a price...
IMO people are underestimating the effect software controlling 3 motors can have, the torque on each motor can be optimal for every situation ... in theory .. in practice, that is a solution that improves over time.... so just the software component should be significantly better by October//November 2020.
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ucmndd
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I didn’t think so either but this thread didn’t get to 38 pages due to vigorous agreement if you know what I mean.
If Taycan was not close to a production car, why would Porsche CEO say this:
It's great to see healthy competition. However, Zellmer also referenced the modified Model S as of late, saying:
"That's obviously going to limit their relevance of what they've been doing."
Why would Porsche lied on the diesel fiasco?
Do you see a Taycan on the road? Can you go and test drive a Taycan?
I bet you there’s more Model S out there
dark cloud
Active Member
Ironic how a VW tows the Plaid. And why the drape over the backend and another car right on its butt to prevent photos as it goes into the trailer?
Watch Tesla Model S Plaid Take On The Nurburgring: Video
Watch Tesla Model S Plaid Take On The Nurburgring: Video
Yes what about that? Why did they name an ICE forced-air device after a DC Fast Charger?
Xenoilphobe
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The Taycan was close to a future production car, just like the Plaid Model S will be...
If/when the Plaid Model S starts shipping to customers, it becomes relevant... that is supposed to be October/November 2020.
When did the Taycan record its time, and when will it start shipping?
We can compare the time lag in both cases, it isn't that relevant, provided production starts shipping no later than 18-24 months after the prototype records the time... they need to test prototypes and time to migrate them to production...
So really what Zelimer said is an attempt to down play anything Tesla might achieve... or perhaps he is hoping the Plaid Model S never ships...
Taycan Ring time was published in August this year, and delivery starts later this year. The Ring time likely is set not long before that since people were tracking Porsche's activities on Ring earlier during the summer.
That looks better, so a win for Porsche here, but Tesla can always repeat this exercise in August next year...
axhoaxho
Member
Yes, I also noticed the California HOV stickers on that blue Model S Plaid car.
Does it mean Tesla might have just grabbed a used Model S, and made it to beat the newly-developed Porsche Taycan on the Nurburgring lap time? I bet the Porsche team doesn't find it funny at all...
dk10438
Member
Probably cuz Tesla was embarrassed that they couldn’t remove CA HOV stickers LOL
Grenadine
Member
Would love to know the comparison between the Plaid prototypes/mules and the Raven they also had there. Anyone got info on that?
Yes, I also noticed the California HOV stickers on that blue Model S Plaid car.
Does it mean Tesla might have just grabbed a used Model S, and made it to beat the newly-developed Porsche Taycan on the Nurburgring lap time? I bet the Porsche team doesn't find it funny at all...
Red red car is believed to be a lemon that was returned and reworked.
They start with a used Model S, modify the body, put in a new battery and motors plus wiring and a lot of other components... only the basic shell of the original remains..
It is simply a cost effect way to produce prototypes,... it does mean they can make a few, where build a new prototype 100% my hand would be more expensive.
I have no idea of other car makers do this, but everyone should do it where possible.
Others do as well. Like you said, it's a relatively cheap way to test stuff and also throw your competition off. It would be interesting to see what's underneath that body. I would bet it's a new chassis with new suspension geometry, plus a lot of new systems to manage the cooling and body dynamics.
