BluestarE3
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A few days after the Model S you'd recently ordered has left the factory and is in transit to you.Any thoughts as to when an upgrade will happen?
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A few days after the Model S you'd recently ordered has left the factory and is in transit to you.Any thoughts as to when an upgrade will happen?
No, you get acceleration and that's about it. At least when you fork over the cash for something like an M5, you're getting a car with vastly superior handling and braking compared to a standard 5-series in addition to more power. This isn't the case with the Model S. Also, the performance versions of the Model S are likely cash cows for Tesla since acceleration (power) is pretty cheap to attain reliably with an electric drivetrain, unlike an ICE.At the high end of the S range you're paying (substantially) for performance. Supercar performance, mind you.
No, you get acceleration and that's about it. At least when you fork over the cash for something like an M5, you're getting a car with vastly superior handling and braking compared to a standard 5-series in addition to more power. This isn't the case with the Model S. Also, the performance versions of the Model S are likely cash cows for Tesla since acceleration (power) is pretty cheap to attain reliably with an electric drivetrain, unlike an ICE.
I have a feeling that many M3 preorder people think the same thing but I would be prepared to be disappointed. I expect the model 3 to be a Camry relative to a Lexus or BMW for the Model s or x.Model 3 is 90% of the Model S at 30% of the price. Unless you need the interior space, Model 3 is the clear choice.
If we are really comparing Model S to the Audi A8 class, here is Audi's new one.
Compared to this a Model S looks pretty much like Model 3 class.
The guy is having both his back and feet massaged on that rear seat, while using the tablet that detaches from the rear console...
In addition to four massaging (and ventilated) seats, there are six screens there, three of them touch with haptic feedback...
I really wish the S had an interior like that. Maybe not all the gimmicky massage stuff but I would love to have seats like that
I have a feeling that many M3 preorder people think the same thing but I would be prepared to be disappointed. I expect the model 3 to be a Camry relative to a Lexus or BMW for the Model s or x.
I would be happy to be wrong since I want Tesla to be hugely successful.
Boy, I sure hope not. If the Model 3 is to compete against the BMW 3, as promised, the interior cannot be pruned much from the S.
Fair point, but then let's say $35k as the delta. Outside of the size, speed and two screens, what is considered luxury for the price difference?
Not being cheeky, I genuinely want to know what people think.
If we are really comparing Model S to the Audi A8 class, here is Audi's new one.
Compared to this a Model S looks pretty much like Model 3 class.
The guy is having both his back and feet massaged on that rear seat, while using the tablet that detaches from the rear console...
In addition to four massaging (and ventilated) seats, there are six screens there, three of them touch with haptic feedback...
I'm not sure the "$100k+" comment is fair given that the Model S currently starts at $69,500 + $1200 destination, pre-incentives. Your overall argument may or may not be valid regardless, but I'd say we should start with the correct base price and reason up from there.
What's a Toyota Camry?
Just kidding, I know it's quite a popular car in the US, in Europe that's a different matter. It was so unpopular over here that Toyota stopped importing it more than a decade ago.
And as for anyone claiming that a Toyota could be more "luxurious" than a BMW, that's totally laughable. I have yet to see a Japanese or indeed any other Asian car with an interior that could come even close to what luxury feels like. Don't even have to go that far, if I want crappy plastic interiors with no sense of style whatsoever, I can buy a Dacia at a third of the price.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think BMW interiors qualify as "luxury" either. That word is for cars like Rolls, Bentley and the like. "Premium" is the word that is much more fitting imho. The BMWs or Mercs (or Audis) I have driven or sat in had premium interiors. No Toyota I have ever sat in or saw in car reviews had an interior I would call premium. Perhaps the Japanese produce different cars for the American market with higher quality / better interiors. But over here, someone who wants a premium interior doesn't buy a Toyota.
For what it's worth, this is the current top of the line interior of the current top of the line Toyota (other than Prius/Mirai) available in Germany:
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That screams anti-premium to me, honestly. Cheap, boring, uninspired, you name it.
They are called Lexus, and I would put them in the premium bin.
I think a lot of Model S owners are going to find the 3 lacking in the little things they are used to.....hence the S will continue to look good with 300 + miles of range, great acceleration, roominess, and luxury touches.
I expect a new S interior with new electronics to launch in the next 30 days.