P90DL battery replacement thread.

[EnzoXYZ]

2015P90DL: 60K miles (92K klm), 318 miles (512 klms) RATED RANGE - not TYPICAL RANGE which is unrelabe for comparisons due to varying weather altitude and driving styles.

My battery (attached pic) - I think it's V1.

My deg seems pretty good I lose about 12 - 18 miles (20-30 klm) per year

How do you know if it’s V1, V2 or V3v

 

[SM '15 P90D]

 

[SM '15 P90D]

100%-6% charge shows 60.2kwh used. I am waiting to hear back from my S.C.. worse case I will requestthek to take it back and pick another car. I would prefer to just get the updated battery in this one.

How did you get on trying to get a replacement? I've been doing some power testing today and could only get 430kw @ 90% SOC so disappointed. Max range I've seen is 243miles @100% on a warm day. Wondering whether to chase the SC about a replacement pack

 

[evalst2018]

Can anyone who has had the battery replaced, share what sort of battery degradation your car must have in order to get a replacement. My car is currently at 13% degradation, a loss of 40 miles with 55k miles on the car.

 

[Krash]

Can anyone who has had the battery replaced, share what sort of battery degradation your car must have in order to get a replacement. My car is currently at 13% degradation, a loss of 40 miles with 55k miles on the car.

Tesla doesn't replace S/X batteries for degradation. Only for module failure.

 

[evalst2018]

Thanks...does anyone know if 13% degradation would constitute a lemon law case?

 

[MP3Mike]

Thanks...does anyone know if 13% degradation would constitute a lemon law case?

No it would not. On the Model 3 Tesla warranty kicks in after 30% degradation during the warranty period. The Model S&X warranty specifically excludes any level of gradual degradation. My guess is that if you had 30% degradation and still didn't have a failed module that Tesla would replace the battery, but they wouldn't have to.

And just to be sure how are you calculating the 13% loss? (We have seen other people report a percentage that was calculated totally wrong.)

 

[evalst2018]

No it would not. On the Model 3 Tesla warranty kicks in after 30% degradation during the warranty period. The Model S&X warranty specifically excludes any level of gradual degradation. My guess is that if you had 30% degradation and still didn't have a failed module that Tesla would replace the battery, but they wouldn't have to.

And just to be sure how are you calculating the 13% loss? (We have seen other people report a percentage that was calculated totally wrong.)

I’m filing a lemon law suit. 294-256=38/294=13%

 

[MP3Mike]

I’m filing a lemon law suit. 294-256=38/294=13%

Good luck with that.

What do you consider the maximum acceptable degradation? (The industry is pretty much set on 30-40%,)

 

[n2mb_racing]

I’m filing a lemon law suit. 294-256=38/294=13%

What? 294 miles for a p90? Mine only ever charged to 264 new, I think.

 

[evalst2018]

Good luck with that.

What do you consider the maximum acceptable degradation? (The industry is pretty much set on 30-40%,)

there is no standard..its dependent on battery chemistry. with the 90 batteries they introduced more silicone which has turned out to affect longevity.

 

[MP3Mike]

there is no standard..its dependent on battery chemistry. with the 90 batteries they introduced more silicone which has turned out to affect longevity.

Can you show any EV manufacturer that replaces the battery after 13% degradation? Or even any that replaces it before 30%?

 

[MP3Mike]

I’m filing a lemon law suit. 294-256=38/294=13%

What state has a lemon law that allows you to file a case after a car is more than 3 years old? (California is only 18-months or 18,000 miles right? And you are way past both of those.)

 

[AWDtsla]

What state has a lemon law that allows you to file a case after a car is more than 3 years old? (California is only 18-months or 18,000 miles right? And you are way past both of those.)

The state of delusion.

 

[feif]

Thanks...does anyone know if 13% degradation would constitute a lemon law case?

Or if a 15 second full throttle calls the yellow line on the main screen on a P85D ? Independant of SOC (>40% ) , temperature warm, mild, cold ?

 

[sorka]

That is the V3 battery. My P85D was also just replaced with the same battery. I’ve already logged and seen as high as 506kw. This was also on an 18* day. I plan to mess with it more when it is warmer. When it was first dropped off I was also seeing around 470 at 65% which is still quite a bit more than the old 85 numbers. I would also like to see a 10.x time slip some time this year.

REALLY wish my P85DL battery would hurry up and die

 

[sorka]

How did you get on trying to get a replacement? I've been doing some power testing today and could only get 430kw @ 90% SOC so disappointed. Max range I've seen is 243miles @100% on a warm day. Wondering whether to chase the SC about a replacement pack

What's wrong with these values? Looks like your battery is perfectly fine. Was the 430KW with max battery ready? If not, then 430KW is normal for a new 1500 amp 85 battery.

 

[sorka]

Thanks...does anyone know if 13% degradation would constitute a lemon law case?

No. They'd only replace it it was due to a bad string rather than even degradation and I doubt they'd even do that unless you showed them the proof. To do that, you'd need to use TM-SPY or equivalent app via an Elm327 connected to the CANBUS connector.

 

[SM '15 P90D]

What's wrong with these values? Looks like your battery is perfectly fine. Was the 430KW with max battery ready? If not, then 430KW is normal for a new 1500 amp 85 battery.

It's a P90DL. I thought I'd get more output but guess I'm being over optimistic. I didn't have max battery ready actually so guess that would've helped. How do we know when max battery power is ready now with this new ludicrous plus software update?

 

[jaitch]

How did you get on trying to get a replacement? I've been doing some power testing today and could only get 430kw @ 90% SOC so disappointed. Max range I've seen is 243miles @100% on a warm day. Wondering whether to chase the SC about a replacement pack

Your 100% range pretty much matches my "typical" 100% range of 241 miles. 2016 P90DL V1 battery 34k miles AP1. I haven't measured kW.

It's a P90DL. I thought I'd get more output but guess I'm being over optimistic. I didn't have max battery ready actually so guess that would've helped. How do we know when max battery power is ready now with this new ludicrous plus software update?

The L+ button is not working on 2019.12.1.1 on mine nor other AP1 etc. There are other threads covering this Tesla mess if you weren't aware.

James