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Ingeneer, please read my long post on the previous page. I want to know what you think about it.
In a nutshell I think Tesla is applying a higher overall C rate for the 60's supercharging and getting the cell voltage up to 4.2V quickly but that doesn't mean a 100% charge. They just stop charging as soon as they come to CV part of charging. If the intent was to charge to real 100% this wouldn't make sense as CV charging would take longer and nothing overall would change. But they don't care they only want 80%
So I think it is safe to charge to 100% AC daily but not so much at the superchargers.
On my 85, if I consistently (3 days) keep my slider at 100%, I get a warning that charging like that can damage the battery. Are 60 owners seeing the same?
Multiple Tesla employees whose names I will not mention for obvious reasons, from both sales and service department have told me the exact same thing. Tesla's official word is "to just charge to what you need" they will not officially say one way or another.
However, they all also said "off the record" charging the 60D to 100% is the same as charging the 75D to 80%, therefore there is no harm in doing such.
Additionally, when I am charged to 100% I do not experience any reduced regen--which I rely on heavily--rarely use the break peddle. Finally, my three visits to SC's have all been similar, in that there is not a dramatic drop off in charging rate in the final 10-15% as would otherwise be expected.
For those who are interested in continuing to explore this from an academic perspective just for entertainment sake, I guess I understand. But in my experience and in my humble opinion there is no doubt--thus I charge to 100% ever time I charge.
36 kw charging rate at 99% is crazily high!! 60 kwh Tesla is a bargain.Here was the top end at my local Supercharger just before I hit 100% the other day:
But, how can they do that given the fact that the supercharger itself is limited to how much current it can put out? Especially considering that odds are (at least in populated areas) that you're going to be sharing the supercharger with someone else.
To me it makes way more sense to keep the charge profiles the same between the 60 and 75, and then simply top limit it. Ingineer did point out the drawback in that there is no 100% charge if it's top limited so how do they do cell balancing?
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Supercharging a new 60 at the Maumee, OH station near Toledo...
This was the rate when I disconnected, fwiw.
That is 36.8 kw at 98%, consistent with other impressive results.View attachment 193939
Supercharging a new 60 at the Maumee, OH station near Toledo...
This was the rate when I disconnected, fwiw.
32.5 kw charging rate at 100%, haha. It used to be extremely lucky if you get 4 kw at 99 or 100% state of charge.View attachment 194063
Snapped one in Ann Arbor, and happened to get it right as it hit full charge!
If anyone is in the SF Bay Area with a new 60, I can easily give you access to the data. (and more) If you are not in the area, but can set up a Linux laptop or Raspberry Pi (or similar), I can work with you remotely, just not as easy. I'd prefer to have someone local. I'll give you access to the internal data for free in exchange for us sharing the battery data with the community. Drop me a PM if interested.
If anyone is in the SF Bay Area with a new 60, I can easily give you access to the data. (and more) If you are not in the area, but can set up a Linux laptop or Raspberry Pi (or similar), I can work with you remotely, just not as easy. I'd prefer to have someone local. I'll give you access to the internal data for free in exchange for us sharing the battery data with the community. Drop me a PM if interested.
If you travel to Minneapolis you could check out my car...No, unfortunately I've been travelling quite a bit and haven't been able to lay my hands on a car yet. Hopefully soon!
No, unfortunately I've been travelling quite a bit and haven't been able to lay my hands on a car yet. Hopefully soon!
No, unfortunately I've been travelling quite a bit and haven't been able to lay my hands on a car yet. Hopefully soon!