Not just 4 years. That was all after the update.
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Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software
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Not just 4 years. That was all after the update.
Early 18650 cells have a different chemical make up than later cells.
That authority would be Tesla, but they are not communicating with us. Just to let you know, my last question to them has been unanswered.
I do not know if there is anything wrong with my battery. I never thought there was an issue with it. Only Tesla knows. Tesla is telling me "have reviewed your cars data to ensure there are no other issues that are occurring with your battery or the charging system and everything is working as it should". But at the same time they cut 30 miles of range (so far) by one software update.
What issue is that? Again, Tesla is telling me my battery is fine, "have reviewed your cars data to ensure there are no other issues that are occurring with your battery or the charging system and everything is working as it should".
Yes. Yes. Yes. But 12% suddenly after 2019.16.x update.
Not unexpected. Here is a sample tracker the owners participating in this thread have put together.
I'm not outlier. See this tracker.
Who knows. Tesla is not talking.
On Edit: When I purchased the car, Tesla did not tell me what my anodes were made of. For my purpose, they can be made of whatever material to make the battery work. At least at that time it was not a factor in buying decision, "tell me what your anodes are made of?" No one was asking that question. Wonder how many buyers even knew what the composition of a battery anode can be and pros/cons. Irrelevant.
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Here are the choices Tesla can do to remedy this issue
1. Send an update to restore the mileage of the car effected by the range decrease caused by the software update.
2. Monetarily compensate the owners effected by the range decrease caused by the update.
3. Replace the battery packs for the cars effected by possible battery module failure that results in a fire.
If Tesla is so concerned with the older gen battery packs catching fire then maybe they should install new 100kw battery packs and lock them to whatever the car was originally designed for. Charge the customer to fully unlock the pack for further range.
1. Send an update to restore the mileage of the car effected by the range decrease caused by the software update.
2. Monetarily compensate the owners effected by the range decrease caused by the update.
3. Replace the battery packs for the cars effected by possible battery module failure that results in a fire.
If Tesla is so concerned with the older gen battery packs catching fire then maybe they should install new 100kw battery packs and lock them to whatever the car was originally designed for. Charge the customer to fully unlock the pack for further range.
faughtz
Model S P85DL
In regards to both 1) and 2), it’s not just range; I also lost substantial acceleration/performance.
Can someone pull some strings, call in some favors, and get an answer out of Tesla? We have movers and shakers in this forum, surely someone who knows someone at Tesla, or at least an attorney, who could get some answers? lol
Ok, so let’s say Li plating is occurring. How would Tesla detect that via firmware?
True. Gen1 chemistry was exclusive to 2012 MY and early 2013. These were limited to maximum 90 kw charging.
Gen2 was released in 2013 and used up until the 90 kWh battery was unveiled.
Gen3 is used in the 90 kWh and some 75 kWh. Consensus is that these batteries suffered much higher rates of degradation compared to gen2.
Gen4 is presumably used in all new 18650.
DJRas
Member
Ok... revisited tge Oceanside Service Center
They today confirmed my earlier post that there IS a criteria that is used to replace batteries under warranty as I had described. For MY car (2014 S 85 with 136,000 miles) the nominal degradation is 231 miles rated range from an initial 265 miles rated range both numbers based on 295 Wh/mile.
However, when confronted with my data that my 217 mile full pack rated is now based on 276 Wh/mile, they refused to accept or acknowledge my data. Claiming they do not trust ANY 3rd party data and they can ONLY go by the data that their test set provides. So, until my car's full pack rated range drops at or below 208 miles - or my display show a battery error code they can do (and will do) nothing.
I guess I shouldn't have been surprised by this.
They today confirmed my earlier post that there IS a criteria that is used to replace batteries under warranty as I had described. For MY car (2014 S 85 with 136,000 miles) the nominal degradation is 231 miles rated range from an initial 265 miles rated range both numbers based on 295 Wh/mile.
However, when confronted with my data that my 217 mile full pack rated is now based on 276 Wh/mile, they refused to accept or acknowledge my data. Claiming they do not trust ANY 3rd party data and they can ONLY go by the data that their test set provides. So, until my car's full pack rated range drops at or below 208 miles - or my display show a battery error code they can do (and will do) nothing.
I guess I shouldn't have been surprised by this.
Let's say that in 6 months your car does drop to 208 miles... But the normal range for the fleet of comparable cars at that point is 225 miles. You still aren't more than 10% under the fleet...
Whiteblaze
Member
I'm no mover or shaker, but I just pinged Fred at Electrek to see if he'd follow up with the mother ship.
Who is it that runs teslafi.com ?
They could easily run a script to detect what % of cars and which models are impacted!
Real statistics would help in communicating this to Tesla, tweet to Musk and contacting press...
They could easily run a script to detect what % of cars and which models are impacted!
Real statistics would help in communicating this to Tesla, tweet to Musk and contacting press...
Both our TMS (2013 P85/2015 85D) still charges to 4,2v, but supercharger speed has been seriously capped. 30-40% reduction throughout the entire scale with max speed at extremely low soc just above 70kW. In fact, even chademo speeds are reduced by nearly 15kW in the 60-70% soc range. The 2015 has seen some supercharging as it has been on long road trips around Europe on some occations, but the 2013 has not and has very little supercharging. Still both are equally capped. Both cars have around 100k miles on them.
No trip to from Norway to Spain this year as total supercharging time would increase from 22hrs to 34hrs, and that means we will no longer be able to make the trip one way in three long days. So two extra travel days to a total of 8 days on such a trip because of this supercharger capping then. No can do
Just wish Tesla could understand that most people need to know what kind of car they own tomorrow. Changing things like this is sneaky ****er behaviour. And you can quote me on that.
No trip to from Norway to Spain this year as total supercharging time would increase from 22hrs to 34hrs, and that means we will no longer be able to make the trip one way in three long days. So two extra travel days to a total of 8 days on such a trip because of this supercharger capping then. No can do
Just wish Tesla could understand that most people need to know what kind of car they own tomorrow. Changing things like this is sneaky ****er behaviour. And you can quote me on that.
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I already put ac request in but it would help to have as many as be possible.
camthehombre
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jaitch
Member
I presume this "fleet-wide average" term is a Tesla super secret thing? So for example could we find out our very own model specific "fleet-wide average"?
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