AlanSubie4Life
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Ha. Not sure that is quite the appropriate description for a Model 3, but I guess everything is relative!
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Taycan Takedown
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Ha. Not sure that is quite the appropriate description for a Model 3, but I guess everything is relative!
Eno Deb
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In terms of repeatable performance and acceleration at high speeds the Taycan also beats Tesla's $100k+ high end performance car. I wouldn't even be surprised if it won 0-60, given that Porsche is usually conservative about their performance numbers (while Tesla likes to play marketing games such as excluding rollout on their P cars but not the standard ones).
Tesla doesn't have a $100k+ Model S. Performance (without other options, but including Ludicrous) is now $99,990.
Eno Deb
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$10 less? Really?
A fully optioned Model S P is $115k, BTW.Also, here's the best comparison between the Taycan and Model S Raven yet, hitting the major pros and cons of both cars, and with an actual head-to-head drag race under the same conditions:
MightyHawk
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Is anyone really surprised that a Porsche that costs 50% more, before options, outperforms a Model S? And as a former (and likely soon to be again) Porsche owner, the sticker price of a Porsche is easily 25% more than the base price due to the numerous options required to make the car enjoyable.
AND, not to make you feel bad, that's in the USA. We get Teslas at the same price as you (plus tax) after currency conversion. But a Porsche is somehow magically DOUBLE the price you pay. Plus tax. And currency conversion. So the price delta to the Taycan is really crazy here down under...a Taycan Turbo S is about 400 000 with a few options. A fully-loaded Model S is about 180 000...
$10 less? Really?
Also, here's the best comparison between the Taycan and Model S Raven yet, hitting the major pros and cons of both cars, and with an actual head-to-head drag race under the same conditions:
Something seems odd. As mentioned somewhere. How can the Tesla's numbers be identical to their 2017 test? Video shows of the Model S having a jump on the Taycan, but the Taycan reels it in as it should. Video shows it, but their numbers seem off.
3 seconds is quite a bit considering youtube has repeatedly gotten the Model S to go 2.4 ish. There's no need to sandbag. We know the Porsche is meant for corners.
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JohnSnowNW
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$10 less? Really?
Also, here's the best comparison between the Taycan and Model S Raven yet, hitting the major pros and cons of both cars, and with an actual head-to-head drag race under the same conditions:
Who cares? A fully optioned Taycan Turbo S is $130k+ more...
Furthermore, they never said it was a Raven, and don't show the Model S using launch control (but do so for the Taycan). The "best comparison," indeed.
Did they even have it in ludicrous mode? Battery fully heated? Or did they hit the "I want my mommy!" button.
Eno Deb
Active Member
You must have seen a different video than I did. Besides, for the Vbox times it doesn't matter which driver got the jump on the other since they are independently measured in each car.
The 2.4s times are excluding the 1ft rollout time. If you add that back, you end up exactly at the kind of times around 2.6s that Topgear measured. Look at the 1/4 mile trap speed, that can't be fudged.
But of course, if someone beats Tesla, it has to be some kind of mistake/cheat/conspiracy.
Eno Deb
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Without launch control the Model S doesn't get anywhere near 2.6s, so yes, they did use it. And they also used Ludicrous mode (which you can see on the driver's screen).
Interesting that this discussion has come to this rather esoteric line of debate...which car can go zoom the most in a row. Wow...
I am sure Porsche makes a lovely sports car if you drop $200k to get it optioned up. But as the ring test have shown I just don't see them as a performance leader any longer. Clearly Tesla is going to have ridiculous numbers when the roadster hits the tracks next spring/summer. In a car you can actually drive from NYC to LA. I mean if Porsche fans want a race that's the one to do, an old fashioned long distance race from a to z (NYC to LA is easy). Let the best systems win.
I am sure Porsche makes a lovely sports car if you drop $200k to get it optioned up. But as the ring test have shown I just don't see them as a performance leader any longer. Clearly Tesla is going to have ridiculous numbers when the roadster hits the tracks next spring/summer. In a car you can actually drive from NYC to LA. I mean if Porsche fans want a race that's the one to do, an old fashioned long distance race from a to z (NYC to LA is easy). Let the best systems win.
Valore
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If you drop 200K on a Porsche, you will fly business class from NYC to LA.
Valore
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True.
Everybody knows Tesla is faster than Taycan after 35 minutes wait for battery heating.
True.
Everybody knows Tesla is faster than Taycan after 35 minutes wait for battery heating.
.... Why does that even matter? Lol.If you are drag racing two cars to their full potential take the time. You have to swap the tires on the Dodge Demon to run to its full potential....
Top Gear didn't even use launch mode either; they are cheating because if they had lost the drag race they would have nothing to talk about .
Anyway, the plaid drivetrain configuration is superior to any motor/transmission configuration the Taycan will get destroyed.
Valore
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Yes we all know.
I am sure Porsche quit EV development when they've seen the plaid drivetrain thing.
Porsche take 2 years+ to develope a powertrain they can develope all they want...Tesla will be in it's 3rd generation plaid by the time they develop something else lol.
Transmission= drivetrain losses, weight, shift time, torque multiplication.
Extra Motor= less added losses, less added weight, actually makes power and cost less.
Valore
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