I think people are just asking the question the wrong way... CAN it be upgraded? Vs WILL you offer an upgrade program?
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Tesla infotainment system upgradeable from MCU1 to MCU2
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But until it takes less than several weeks to get an appointment for 'real stuff', this is gonna be a pipe dream. And they need to develop and test whatever wiring harness and process (and cost) is needed to actually do this.
How long will that take? How much will that take?
THEN they need to cost it out to see if anyone wants it. What if it takes 10 hours per upgrade? That's maybe $5000 USD with parts. (All made up, but just sayin'....). New MCU, and custom wiring harness....
How much are they willing to invest in this just to make us happy? Ugh.....
What would you pay? What would you NOT pay?
I might pay 3 or 4K... after that, maybe I'll get a Y next year, anyway.....
How long will that take? How much will that take?
THEN they need to cost it out to see if anyone wants it. What if it takes 10 hours per upgrade? That's maybe $5000 USD with parts. (All made up, but just sayin'....). New MCU, and custom wiring harness....
How much are they willing to invest in this just to make us happy? Ugh.....
What would you pay? What would you NOT pay?
I might pay 3 or 4K... after that, maybe I'll get a Y next year, anyway.....
S100D
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I would be willing to pay 3 - 5K for the MCU2 upgrade. That would be a lot cheaper than when I spent over $46,000 to trade in my S85D for a S90D with AP2/MCU1.
I think you've touched on the real issue. Tesla service in many areas is overwhelmed by the sheer number of vehicles on the road now. They have to give priority to their warranty customers. We already know the MCU replacement is about $2,500, add the IC and wiring for another $1,000+, plus a conservative 5 hours of labor and you're looking at least $4-4.5k assuming no profit margin. Considering Bioweapon Mode has been sold for $750 and $500 despite only requiring a quick software change, a $170 filter and under 30 minutes of labor, I suspect an MCU upgrade is going to be more than people expect and won't be offered until Tesla has their service issues under control.
Ok, to sum up:
1. It appears to be physically possible to do such a retrofit
2. Tesla has, in the past, introduced such retrofits for some items(Bioweapon defense, center console, even, from what I’ve heard, seats) but not for others(90->100 battery, power hatch lift)
3. Tesla is not currently offering this upgrade, though Elon has mentioned that they would in the past(which has proven to be an imperfect predictor)
Will they offer it at some point in the future? Nobody here knows. And nobody here will know until/unless Tesla announces something on the matter.
1. It appears to be physically possible to do such a retrofit
2. Tesla has, in the past, introduced such retrofits for some items(Bioweapon defense, center console, even, from what I’ve heard, seats) but not for others(90->100 battery, power hatch lift)
3. Tesla is not currently offering this upgrade, though Elon has mentioned that they would in the past(which has proven to be an imperfect predictor)
Will they offer it at some point in the future? Nobody here knows. And nobody here will know until/unless Tesla announces something on the matter.
BozieBeMe2
May I have this dance?
But,,,
doesn't this effect any future firmware upgrades?
Tesla would assume your car still has MCU1 and therefore will send corresponding updates?
What determines what packets are meant for your car's OS?
Well, if it shows up in the “Shop” section, it’s probably safe to assume they’ll offer it. Regardless, I wouldn’t expect this to be something where Tesla(the company, not Elon on Twitter) is going to announce they’ll do it in a year. In fact, I doubt there’ll be any explicit announcement at all. If it happens, it’ll just show up on the Shop one day a la BWDM.
But what else wasn't a plug and play upgrade. BWDM is drop in the filter, and add the option to the car, for example. Really, it's $50 plus what they want to charge.
I've seen posts where people still think the MCU replacement is a drop in replacement. Others have posted that it's a much more complicated process and needs a new custom retro-fit wiring harness that doesn't exist. If that's the case, no one knows what it will cost, as the parts need to be designed and created and manufactured (how many?!) (Amortization of that R&D is what I was talking about above.)
And the longer we wait, the more people have moved on to MCU 2 S and X's or even 3s or Ys.....
Ugh.
Just to add, if we could get this, I may hold on to my X a lot longer. But without it, an upgrade to a Y is definitely something to think about. And down the road, an upgraded MCU sure makes resale much better, also.
I've seen posts where people still think the MCU replacement is a drop in replacement. Others have posted that it's a much more complicated process and needs a new custom retro-fit wiring harness that doesn't exist. If that's the case, no one knows what it will cost, as the parts need to be designed and created and manufactured (how many?!) (Amortization of that R&D is what I was talking about above.)
And the longer we wait, the more people have moved on to MCU 2 S and X's or even 3s or Ys.....
Ugh.
Just to add, if we could get this, I may hold on to my X a lot longer. But without it, an upgrade to a Y is definitely something to think about. And down the road, an upgraded MCU sure makes resale much better, also.
Krash is correct, Tesla just sends the update as requested and the car unpacks it and applies the parts that it can use per local configuration files. Base Model 3 SR cars have the same ludicrous code in them as a Raven Model S - they just can't use it. Green mentions he'd haev to configure the MCU - I assume to make it ID his vehicle.
Trebek1762
Let's play jeopardy
This right here is the key. When it comes time to sell, you've Just got to find the right sap to buy the old MCU with a yellow rim without knowing any better...
HankLloydRight
No Roads
I think most used Tesla buyers aren’t going to know two sugars about MCU1 vs MCU2. The TMC and reddit communities are minuscule compared to the actual number of Tesla owners and potential buyers. Outside of elektrek or teslarati the public never hears about MCU versions.
They hear about Tesla car fires and cop cars running out of charge.
They hear about Tesla car fires and cop cars running out of charge.
tsukiakari
Member
I put in for a service appointment last week to see if I could get the FSD computer upgrade yet on my AP 2.0 car. I also asked about upgrading from MCU 1 to 2 so I could get full Sentry Mode and the new games and toys.
When someone finally called me back, first he said the FSD computer upgrade has not yet available in the Mountain Region (I’m in Colorado). Then, I had to explain to him why I would want to upgrade from MCU 1 to 2 and what the differences are. After that, he put me on hold for several minutes. When he came back, it was apparent that he had gone to ask somebody or Google it or whatever, because then he told me that the MCU upgrade was available for about $3,000 and that it's probably not worth it because there's no guarantee that I could get the new features even if I got the MCU upgrade.
I love my car, but damn it they need to hire some people who actually are interested in Tesla and know more than the average enthusiast (or at least teach them how to handle prominent questions). This discussion didn't give me a lot of faith.
When someone finally called me back, first he said the FSD computer upgrade has not yet available in the Mountain Region (I’m in Colorado). Then, I had to explain to him why I would want to upgrade from MCU 1 to 2 and what the differences are. After that, he put me on hold for several minutes. When he came back, it was apparent that he had gone to ask somebody or Google it or whatever, because then he told me that the MCU upgrade was available for about $3,000 and that it's probably not worth it because there's no guarantee that I could get the new features even if I got the MCU upgrade.
I love my car, but damn it they need to hire some people who actually are interested in Tesla and know more than the average enthusiast (or at least teach them how to handle prominent questions). This discussion didn't give me a lot of faith.
Safe bet the MCU upgrade he was referring to was to the 2nd generation of the MCU1 unit not to MCU2. Essentially the out of warranty replacement cost for the MCU.I put in for a service appointment last week to see if I could get the FSD computer upgrade yet on my AP 2.0 car. I also asked about upgrading from MCU 1 to 2 so I could get full Sentry Mode and the new games and toys.
When someone finally called me back, first he said the FSD computer upgrade has not yet available in the Mountain Region (I’m in Colorado). Then, I had to explain to him why I would want to upgrade from MCU 1 to 2 and what the differences are. After that, he put me on hold for several minutes. When he came back, it was apparent that he had gone to ask somebody or Google it or whatever, because then he told me that the MCU upgrade was available for about $3,000 and that it's probably not worth it because there's no guarantee that I could get the new features even if I got the MCU upgrade.
I love my car, but damn it they need to hire some people who actually are interested in Tesla and know more than the average enthusiast (or at least teach them how to handle prominent questions). This discussion didn't give me a lot of faith.
Ludalicious
Active Member
I put in for a service appointment last week to see if I could get the FSD computer upgrade yet on my AP 2.0 car. I also asked about upgrading from MCU 1 to 2 so I could get full Sentry Mode and the new games and toys.
When someone finally called me back, first he said the FSD computer upgrade has not yet available in the Mountain Region (I’m in Colorado). Then, I had to explain to him why I would want to upgrade from MCU 1 to 2 and what the differences are. After that, he put me on hold for several minutes. When he came back, it was apparent that he had gone to ask somebody or Google it or whatever, because then he told me that the MCU upgrade was available for about $3,000 and that it's probably not worth it because there's no guarantee that I could get the new features even if I got the MCU upgrade.
I love my car, but damn it they need to hire some people who actually are interested in Tesla and know more than the average enthusiast (or at least teach them how to handle prominent questions). This discussion didn't give me a lot of faith.
Has anyone gotten the upgraded MCU1 to MCU2 and what works and doesn't.
I am willing to throw down some cash for an upgrade but looking for confirmation that I will get You Tube ect.
They started announcing MCU2-only features last August. Some of us got abandoned by Tesla when our cars were significantly less than a year old.
I’ll bet no one has since if they had we’d know about the wiring harness (or whatever parts) and time involved from the invoice. Odds on someone doing it who isn’t on TMC or Reddit are pretty slim.
It would definitely be an Electrek and InsideEVs story.
It would definitely be an Electrek and InsideEVs story.
Anyone that has a clue isn’t in a service center, they are inside Tesla corporate.I put in for a service appointment last week to see if I could get the FSD computer upgrade yet on my AP 2.0 car. I also asked about upgrading from MCU 1 to 2 so I could get full Sentry Mode and the new games and toys.
When someone finally called me back, first he said the FSD computer upgrade has not yet available in the Mountain Region (I’m in Colorado). Then, I had to explain to him why I would want to upgrade from MCU 1 to 2 and what the differences are. After that, he put me on hold for several minutes. When he came back, it was apparent that he had gone to ask somebody or Google it or whatever, because then he told me that the MCU upgrade was available for about $3,000 and that it's probably not worth it because there's no guarantee that I could get the new features even if I got the MCU upgrade.
I love my car, but damn it they need to hire some people who actually are interested in Tesla and know more than the average enthusiast (or at least teach them how to handle prominent questions). This discussion didn't give me a lot of faith.
I sat in a service center and heard an employee say (word for word) to another customer that their (service center’s) biggest problem was the forums. So, obviously not a source of data.
Too many people ‘knowing‘ too much, I guess.
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