Submarines are electric.They are absolutely massive ships but, I hate to say it, I don't think we are going to see electric ones anytime soon. However TT-Line are awesome supporters of EVs, they sponsored the AEVA Conference in 2017 when it was in Devonport. They are very supportive and forward thinking. I can't wait for their two new ships, currently being custom designed and built for them at the moment to go into service in 2021
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Tesla Model 3 in Australia
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[QUOTE="ShockOnT, post: 3170260, member: in the US you are subsidised for going EV, whereas here you are actively penalised by an out-of-date tax.[/QUOTE]
I would rather a tax that discourages/ penalises the purchase of fuel inefficient or higher emission vehicles, rather than one that is based on the logic of “if you can afford to buy a Ferrari you can afford to paymore tax”.
I would rather a tax that discourages/ penalises the purchase of fuel inefficient or higher emission vehicles, rather than one that is based on the logic of “if you can afford to buy a Ferrari you can afford to paymore tax”.
Chuq
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It would be a brave government to attempt the PR battle of buying nuclear powered ferries
OK here's my pricing calculator. I've mapped current USD pricing for all Model S and X to current Australian pricing including GST, LCT and NSW stamp duty. The result is very close to a perfect line, so put a trendline through it to create the formula. But the model needs to have a breakpoint, because below AUD 75.5k LCT doesn't apply. So a different formula applies below that figure.
This model produces the following results for Model 3 AUD pricing (including GST, LCT and NSW stamp duty):
Model 3 SR = USD 35,000 -> AUD 58,205 (LCT = $0, SD = $2010)
Model 3 MR = USD 46,000 -> AUD 75,288 (LCT = $0, SD = $2864)
Model 3 LRD = USD 53,000 -> AUD 91,222 (LCT = $2818, SD = $3487)
Model 3 LRPD = USD 64,000 -> AUD 113,374 (LCT = $7686, SD = $4542)
So Model 3 MR does not incur LCT - but only just.
Blue heaven
Fair Dinkum Tesla
It would be a brave government to attempt the PR battle of buying nuclear powered ferries
The idea of a nuclear powered ferry may get past the public, it's the $100 billion of air and sea defence to protect it from rogue elements that would block its purchase .
(Yes I know Australia use Diesel-Electric Subs)
So if I want to stay below the LCT threshold, realistically I have to go with the SR model, as most of us would want to add a few options, or get a barebone MR.
Tesla really ought to include a white paint as standard. I can’t think of any other manufacturer who charges extra for refrigerator white.
Dborn
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Right from the beginning I felt that tesla should market the cars in modular fashion. That is, fit the battery in Australia and possibly expensive wheels or other easily added hardware, like perhaps the second motor. With separate invoicing, the cars would come in well below the LCT threshold.
It might take some creativity in the ordering process to achieve this as “seperate” orders, but in the early days it worked to a point with some of the options back then only being activated after the event. The additional cost was offset.
I actually wrote to George Blankenship about this at the time but got no response.
I mean, they do something like this in Europe with finalnassembly over there for probably the same reason, so why not here? The service centres could handle it since the market is much smaller.
It might take some creativity in the ordering process to achieve this as “seperate” orders, but in the early days it worked to a point with some of the options back then only being activated after the event. The additional cost was offset.
I actually wrote to George Blankenship about this at the time but got no response.
I mean, they do something like this in Europe with finalnassembly over there for probably the same reason, so why not here? The service centres could handle it since the market is much smaller.
Why do you have such an obsession with “staying below the LCT threshold”?
Let’s say you buy MR with $5k of options. Based on my model, the LCT would be $569, or 0.7% of the total purchase price of $81,000. Are you saying that you would refuse to purchase the options, even if you wanted them, purely because you’d end up paying some LCT?
I don’t really want to debate about the merits of the LCT, don’t think this is the right forum for it.
Few hundred dollars of LCT is fine, but I don’t want to pay thousands or more. So hopefully the MR model with some options will come in at not much more than $80k.
Candleflame
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well of course it is all political. The government never did themselves any favours. With all its raw materials Australia could have become the Germany of the new world by using it's own mining industry to propel a big manufacturing industry. However, they figured that it was much more efficient to ship their rocks to china and not bother with the investment to create it's own industry.
Candleflame
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yeah well they are not gonna give up any revenue now. And afaik research has shown that luxury tax made no difference in penalized vehicles being sold. So it is just free money. It wouldnt even annoy me that much if they'd also charge luxury tax on other traditional luxury items i.e. chocolate, cigarettes, oils... It's selectively dissing the car sector.
Not sure about research, but history seems to suggest otherwise. Didn’t Paul Keating raise the then Wholesale sales tax for luxury cars, only to reverse the change a couple of years later because it resulted in a significant decline in the sales of luxury cars?
Candleflame
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I think there was an article in the news a while ago which stated that australia is thinking about abolishing the Luxury vehicle tax as it was meant to deter people from buying foreign cars and it did not significantly affect luxury cars being sold/not being sold in Australia. Not that it matters now anyways, I think Australia doesn't even build cars anymore.
Your are welcome to prove me wrong here - Iam just going after hearsay.
I’ve digressed.
Going with this, which model is the best buy? I would probably go with the SR or the MR. I don’t need the longer range, and don’t really care about AWD, it will be a family car, so doesn’t need to be that fast. I just want a good and practical EV.
Going with this, which model is the best buy? I would probably go with the SR or the MR. I don’t need the longer range, and don’t really care about AWD, it will be a family car, so doesn’t need to be that fast. I just want a good and practical EV.
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raynewman
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This being Australia, I'm convinced I need the LR. I've driven both the D (performance) and the single motor thousands of miles and hope that the LR single motor version makes it here as it would make a suitable replacement for my Model S 85.
With ease I'd say. Check out A Better Routeplanner
My most frequent long trip is from Port Macquarie to Sunshine Coast and it's amazing just how little you'd need to charge in a LR.
Tesla very recently discontinued LR RWD. LR now gives you no option but to take AWD, which is a bit of a shame because not only is it $5k more expensive, reports from the US suggest the AWD is actually less efficient and has slightly less range than the RWD - which is different to the experience of S and X. Apparently the reason is the spec of the motors they use in the Model 3 AWD version.
While Tesla quotes the same range for RWD and AWD (when both were briefly offered LR) of 500km (310 mi), people reported getting a decent amount more range out of RWD, while AWD met spec. In other words Tesla was under-selling the specs of LR RWD, presumably to keep it under S and X.
Tesla might uncouple LR / AWD by the time Model 3 gets here. Or they might not. They have made significant changes to the Model 3 configurations and packages about 5 or 6 times this year alone, so who knows.
I will be getting Model 3 LR, in the most “economical” configuration available when it comes time to order. I definitely do not need, and will not pay, for Performance.
Only the easterm edge, not the other 3 directions.If I had a LR I would fall off the edge of the state before I ran out
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