For sure for CPOs but the Inv might not make it there any time this year.Or you can buy this P85+ from a Toyota dealer with no additional CPO warranty for $97,991. LOL. And they say Toyota does not sell premium EVs
I don't think that Toyota dealership has any idea how long they will have to wait to sell that car! O
h and it is "$10,400 below NADA Retail." If you can't trust NADA who can you trust?
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It would still seem to suggest that the S60s should be sold in the $40K-something range.
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The only real value I see in the inventory S60s is Auto Pilot. Let's say that's worth $5K. So if I were advising a friend, the highest price I can justify for an inventory S60 is $65K. With incentives it comes down to about $55K. Otherwise it makes sense to buy a brand new 70.
BoerumHill
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Not looking at mileage over 8K (and prefer under 5K) or build before Q2 (roughly 38XXX.) Given those metrics, I haven't spent a lot of time judging the pricing on the mid- and low-priced P85+ listings as they're not in my wheelhouse.
FWIW, I care not a wit about autopilot and actually prefer RWD over AWD. I thought long and hard about a new 85D, and after scores (hundreds?) of hours of research, decided I would prefer a CPO performance / performance plus version.
BoerumHill
not great not terrible
So I'm probably looking at this through a *somewhat* unique prism, but the low mileage is important to me (as is build date within the last 15 months.) My thinking is I'd rather spend an extra $5-10K to get a CPO in pristine shape, and the odds having little/no paint defects decrease significantly above 10-20K miles. I would actually expand my artificial build date cutoff if it was low mileage. For instance, this P85+ was a December 2013 build. Very low miles, and every single option except (oddly) it has a body color roof.
85 kWh Performance Model S P26370 | Tesla Motors
That's a great deal, just wish it had the pano. Plus it will cost me around $2K to bring it here. Obviously I'm not the typical "great deal it was under $60K!" buyer, but rather my definition is "exactly what I was looking for at a fair price." I know I'm setting myself up to pay a premium relative to other CPO listings, and that's OK. The most important thing is to get a great car that is exactly what I want. i've waited a long time to reward myself with this purchase.
UNRELATED ASIDE...or maybe not - last night I booked four tickets for our family vacation. I have never in my life paid full price for an upgrade. I've accepted them as comp for getting bumped, I've "purchased" an upgrade at a steep discount with miles, I've paid a nominal fee ($25-50) at the gate to move up....but retail is for suckers. And last night I stared at my computer screen for 10 minutes before clicking that non-refundable upgrade button. It was like piling money on the table and lighting it on fire. For what? So we only have to share the bathroom with four other people? To be in the extra leg room front row? To save a couple seconds getting onto and off from the plane? A free drink and peanuts? That's worth how much? It's not that much of a hardship to fly coach. Except I've been flying discount fares for 35 years, and I'm kind of tired of it. So what the heck, I can afford it, not like I'm postponing retirement or sending the kid to community college, splurge once in awhile for a change. So I did.
This car, even at CPO prices, is a major splurge in my life. I'm not really interested in a rock bottom deal. I want EXACTLY what I want, with no compromises - or at least compromises (gently used, low mileage) I can live with. But that's just me, it's only applicable to me and my situation, and I think there have been some great points made in this thread about what these CPO listings maybe should or may one day be priced.
ETA - FTR, those brats are flying economy on the return leg. I haven't completely lost my mind.
85 kWh Performance Model S P26370 | Tesla Motors
That's a great deal, just wish it had the pano. Plus it will cost me around $2K to bring it here. Obviously I'm not the typical "great deal it was under $60K!" buyer, but rather my definition is "exactly what I was looking for at a fair price." I know I'm setting myself up to pay a premium relative to other CPO listings, and that's OK. The most important thing is to get a great car that is exactly what I want. i've waited a long time to reward myself with this purchase.
UNRELATED ASIDE...or maybe not - last night I booked four tickets for our family vacation. I have never in my life paid full price for an upgrade. I've accepted them as comp for getting bumped, I've "purchased" an upgrade at a steep discount with miles, I've paid a nominal fee ($25-50) at the gate to move up....but retail is for suckers. And last night I stared at my computer screen for 10 minutes before clicking that non-refundable upgrade button. It was like piling money on the table and lighting it on fire. For what? So we only have to share the bathroom with four other people? To be in the extra leg room front row? To save a couple seconds getting onto and off from the plane? A free drink and peanuts? That's worth how much? It's not that much of a hardship to fly coach. Except I've been flying discount fares for 35 years, and I'm kind of tired of it. So what the heck, I can afford it, not like I'm postponing retirement or sending the kid to community college, splurge once in awhile for a change. So I did.
This car, even at CPO prices, is a major splurge in my life. I'm not really interested in a rock bottom deal. I want EXACTLY what I want, with no compromises - or at least compromises (gently used, low mileage) I can live with. But that's just me, it's only applicable to me and my situation, and I think there have been some great points made in this thread about what these CPO listings maybe should or may one day be priced.
ETA - FTR, those brats are flying economy on the return leg. I haven't completely lost my mind.
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HankLloydRight
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Unrelated aside to your unrelated aside.. when I was traveling for work every week (ages ago), I once got bumped up to first class at the last minute, while my boss didn't. He boarded early but I was running really late, I was the last one to board. I saw him sitting 3 rows back in coach, while I just turned and sat in Row 2. The look on his face was priceless.
mmd
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How did the 10 kwh difference come down to only $2800? And then, how is the difference in powertrain warranty baked into this $2800? A 4 year additional battery/driveunit warranty is pretty big for an used car. A 15 kwh pack difference is $10k additional (70 kwh vs. 85 kwh) with no difference in warranty. So, 10 kwh should really be more like $6666 price difference, no?
The typical state rebate is also missing here.
BoerumHill
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Back in my road warrior days (it was long ago but in the same galaxy), I frequently bumped - Northwest had. $25 @ the gate policy to move up, no-brainer. But I took it too far when I bumped myself returning from a National conference at Kiawah. Virtually everyone at the conference had to route through Atlanta. I had to sit there and endure scornful WTH looks from about 60 people from other offices in the firm as they trundled past. I was pretty junior at the time & took no joy in it.
My partner heard about it from him his peers. Which translated meant I heard about it for months.
mmd
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OK, it makes sense that way.
Using the difference between 70 kwh and 85 kwh RWD yields a $666/kwh price though. The two are identical in almost all other aspects. Even 0-60 is almost same (5.5 secs vs. 5.4 secs). Top speed is same: 140 mph. Only hp is a bit more for 85 kwh. Using $280/kwh should make the 85 kwh RWD only $5k more than 70 kwh RWD. Seems the 85 kwh RWD is now overpriced compared to 70 kwh RWD
BoerumHill
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The "typical state rebate" is in 8 states - and neither of the two states I own property.
But overall I really like the approach ModelSFL is using.
But overall I really like the approach ModelSFL is using.
It does seem like the 70 kWh is the best value at this time. Same warranty as well. Seems like the 90 kWh would have a better shot at justifying the additional 10k. At least that would be $500 per kWh.OK, it makes sense that way.
Using the difference between 70 kwh and 85 kwh RWD yields a $666/kwh price though. The two are identical in almost all other aspects. Even 0-60 is almost same (5.5 secs vs. 5.4 secs). Top speed is same: 140 mph. Only hp is a bit more for 85 kwh. Using $280/kwh should make the 85 kwh RWD only $5k more than 70 kwh RWD. Seems the 85 kwh RWD is now overpriced compared to 70 kwh RWD
Selling the 85 Kwh car and a 90Kwh car makes absolutely no sense. Maybe they are constrained with 90 Kwh packs at the moment. It makes all the sense to discontinue the 85kwh pack and offer only the 70 and 90 kwh packs. I agree that after they replaced the 60 with the 70 they need to do something similar to maintain the value of the upper tier battery pack. A 20Kwh difference for $10K so you get a 90Kwh pack makes a lot more sense than paying $10K for only 15Kwh more with the existing 85kwh pack.
There are probably more variables than you see on the surface other than 70, 85, and 90 kWh packs on a straight forward demand and supply curve. Every percent or two of gross margins matters for Tesla and so letting customers buy tomorrows standard battery pack for a higher cost per kWh perhaps increases margins a bit while the technology continues to improve to allow for a standard 90 kWh pack. I don't think people who were on the fence about a Tesla are suddenly going to pull the trigger because of an additional 5 KWh of storage capacity. So Tesla doesn't really need to be supply constrained to do this, but rather they are showing improvements in the battery technology that has been stagnant for years. And they get performance and range on par with million dollar super cars with an upgraded P85D which draws more attention to the advantages of electric cars. After all, the mission of Tesla is to shift people towards electric by showing how much better it can be.
Also I think it is a bit like the option of a Tall, Grande or Venti Starbucks coffee. When compared to the price on the Tall, it makes sense to go Venti. But then you just consume a ton of calories and it probably costs more to burn it off later in the day. So maybe Grande is just right for most people. There is some psychological pricing that goes on to influence buyer decisions beyond what makes financial sense sometimes. I think the 70/85/90 menu for Tesla owners is just a variation of that. We'll never really know all the cool battery advancements and supply issues that control that other than knowing it seems to be progressing near the 5-7% area that Elon has predicted for some time now.
Cyclone
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BoerumHill
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TomServo
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Juts one word - daum....
looking forward to to your comments on the state/condition of this CPO. I'm excited for you and jealous all at the same time.
jtpassat
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AMPd
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I love my blue, but the sig red will always be my favorite color. Looks so good! Especially with the grey wheels
I just received pics of the car from my Tesla delivery specialist, and it turns out the car comes with tan leather interior (instead of textile), so that was a nice surprise! How often does the actual car differ from the listed CPO specs? I also noticed from the pics that the car has the parcel shelf (which also wasn't listed in the options).
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