Irrespective of latest camera upgrade news (from 1MP to 5MP) - doesn't mean squat if they haven't redesigned the housing or placement of the cameras. There seems no way of using vision to provide any form of parking assistance, given the front cameras are in the wrong place, and the rear camera is at the whim of the elements.
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Unfortunately the actual geniuses who land rockets and design the cars have no say in foundational or strategic decisions that lead to stuff like this.Imagine being a genius who can land rockets but at the same time not being able to foresee that particular problem
It's been done to death but ultrasonics work well because they don't need to discern things, it's a simple sound reflection test. They are arguably the best way of measuring distance without a remote emitter/receiver. They still work to a decent enough performance if dirty or with moisture on.
Just like rain sensors, they are a purpose built "dumb" device that doesn't have to use AI to work out what to do.
Other than purely for aesthetics I really don't see the gain in what Tesla are doing, and plenty of evidence to suggest these cameras will have a very tough job at replicating this functionality, and may end up having a very narrow "ideal" operating conditions (not unlike our auto wiper systems)
Just like rain sensors, they are a purpose built "dumb" device that doesn't have to use AI to work out what to do.
Other than purely for aesthetics I really don't see the gain in what Tesla are doing, and plenty of evidence to suggest these cameras will have a very tough job at replicating this functionality, and may end up having a very narrow "ideal" operating conditions (not unlike our auto wiper systems)
Regular occurence with me as well. Can't get over the fact that we're expected to carry a spray bottle with us to fix this issue. The more I think about this whole USS palaver the more infuriating it becomes. The whole "the cameras work just as good" notion is just nonsense - I was trying to back up into a tight space the other day and the cameras were completely blocked. Genuinely hope Tesla address this issue otherwise and it's not just a fix for future builds.
The rear pointing side cameras still have a clear view. So will the cameras in the windscreen. I suspect the way Tesla will implement the vision-based parking system is by using all of the cameras to continuously generate a 3D map of the area the car is driving through (when driving at a slow speed). It's a technique called Simultaneous Localisation And Mapping (SLAM) which is widely used in robotics (some robot lawnmowers and vacuums already use this). Hopefully, Tesla will display a 3D view of the information it's gathered on the screen and where it thinks the car is in relation to the surroundings and obstacles. This method doesn't have to rely on the boot-mounted camera (but could use data from it if it was clear), nor do they need a camera in the front bumper.
This approach will only work when there is enough light reflected back from the scene and if the items in the scene have enough texture and contrast to be seen... In many ways this should be superior to a USS system but there are bound to be edge cases where it falls over.
Be nice not to have Elon Musk over promise and not deliver yet again. Then maybe we wouldn't have to call out the crap experience of owning "the world's most advanced car" that doesn't let you reverse safely.Oi! - Get out of here with this positive post
Certainly hope you're right btw, be nice to not see these threads here and everywhere else about it all the time.
They could. But development and support of this sounds potentially more expensive than some beeping sensors and leaving it to your brain to work out the rest
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We can throw in theories, complicated terminology, etc. but the sad reality is that, currently, the $60k Tesla is worse than a $30k Honda at such mundane task like parking. And it is unclear if/when there will be a fix.
Otherwise, a theoretical discussion around different potential approaches to mapping the real world is interesting. All the power to FSD and its beta testers but a car is a tool for the majority of customers.
We can throw in theories, complicated terminology, etc. but the sad reality is that, currently, the $60k Tesla is worse than a $30k Honda at such mundane task like parking. And it is unclear if/when there will be a fix.
Otherwise, a theoretical discussion around different potential approaches to mapping the real world is interesting. All the power to FSD and its beta testers but a car is a tool for the majority of customers.
Not really. They already have a map of the (immediate) environment , part of which is already displayed on our screens. It doesn’t need any additional hardware or inputs that aren’t already in the car.
Don’t know, I’m not a software developer but I can see how this approach may work.
Feels like low speed recreation of surrounding would need different approaches vs higher speed regular driving and to create a higher resolution ‘mesh’ of your surround
Hence the orders for higher res cameras and high def radars. Current sensors obviously unable to do the do. They will need to get some on the road to figure out how to make it work (if it does) so can't see a rollout soon. And implies a retrofit, which they won't pay for, preferring to make people take part in a class action suit instead.
Nothing to do with “low speed recreation”. It already does that when displaying cars around you when in slow moving traffic or waiting for a traffic light.
The system can recognise traffic lights, others cars, cones, etc. What it now needs to recognise/display is walls and other obstacles.
Since the radar got switched off, it thinks the wall on our drive is now a lorry. It just needs to be retrained that there’s now things like walls…
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I look forward to my car thinking there's a brick wall in lane 1 of the M1
The new occupancy network doesn't care what the objects are. It just needs to know if that point in space (and time) is occupied by something.
I've damaged my new model 3 by a low object not visible in the backup camera. USS would have easily picked it up and warned me.
Do you think it's possible to sue Tesla for the damage?
Do you think it's possible to sue Tesla for the damage?
I took delivery of my Model Y Long Range in Dec 2022 and made a nice small dent/scratch on the rear bumper while backing up. I have ordered aftermarket rear/front parking sensors which will be installed soon. I can’t keep on waiting for the Tesla vision.
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