This is ridiculous that a car that is half the cost gets way better charging. They just killed their luxury line. Even though I don’t like the 3 nearly as much as the S, I am thinking about downgrading cars to get better long range travel.
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V3 Supercharger Revealed 250kW
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I'm wondering what the technical difference is that permits this? I would have thought that a larger diameter cell would have more difficulty cooling, but apparently not. Maybe a chemistry difference, but if there were such a difference, there's no reason that the 18650s couldn't take a different chemistry.
For all practical purposes this won't make a difference for a while. It's going to be a long time until we see a bunch of these V3 stations out there, and so it will make no difference to most travel that we do. Further, a 20 stall V3 station will require a 20MW feed! That's a pretty substantial substation, and they will have be in a location where local power distribution can support it. Because of load sharing and the lower output, the V2 twenty stall station only requires 5MW - which is far more reasonable.
In any case, this is going to lead to a LOT of pressure on Tesla to improve the batteries on the S/X. Saying we can get 145 kw is not going to make anybody happy. I really really hope that they deal with this on March 14th.
For all practical purposes this won't make a difference for a while. It's going to be a long time until we see a bunch of these V3 stations out there, and so it will make no difference to most travel that we do. Further, a 20 stall V3 station will require a 20MW feed! That's a pretty substantial substation, and they will have be in a location where local power distribution can support it. Because of load sharing and the lower output, the V2 twenty stall station only requires 5MW - which is far more reasonable.
In any case, this is going to lead to a LOT of pressure on Tesla to improve the batteries on the S/X. Saying we can get 145 kw is not going to make anybody happy. I really really hope that they deal with this on March 14th.
I also doubt that it would make financial sense. You'd likely be better off to sell and buy new, rather than paying $25K for a new battery.
I think tesla should offer some kind of battery replacement program for S/X For a fee of course. They could use the old packs for power walls since they do not require extremely fast charging.
The flagship cars are now severely lacking compared to the 3.
The flagship cars are now severely lacking compared to the 3.
No it's not. I was quoting energy not range.
My 75 pack would take a 96kW max charge rate when it was new. 250kW/96kW = 2.6x
powaking
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The highest I’ve seen my MS 75D get up to was 98kW. I would welcome anything higher but am very well aware I would not get close to 145kW.
Next battery refresh in S and X will have the new chemistry. The form factor of the cells doesn't matter unless they are so large that there is a heat problem. Much of the difference in current cars will be done through a software update.
I think there's more to it than just the battery. I believe that the buswork behind the charge port will not support 250kw either. It's possible that that could be changed too, but we don't know how complex that would be. And then there's the cooling system - which may not be up to the task either.
I seriously doubt that we will ever see a retrofit that would allow 250kw charging.
Very true. That would have helped me a great deal my last trip. Didn't realize how much a cold battery would slow charging until I experienced it myself...
Guess it's really temp management "innovation" on both sides. Battery likes to live in a specific temp zone - kinda needs the like baby bears porridge..
This is precisely why Tesla is different. If Tesla operates like other automotive manufacturer, then customer without $100K+ will never get access to the newest technology or best interior. If you look at BMW, at every trim level, there is a difference in hp/fuel efficiency/interior/functions/exterior styling offering.
Tesla is much more simple, it is primarily on HP/Range. This doesn't apply to Model 3 yet, but Model S 75 can have the same interior trim as a P100D. A second area that is unique to Tesla is, if you want the newest tech, buy the NEWEST car not the most expensive model. This of course does not have the support of the wealthy and capable but hey, 99% of the people do not fit in that category.
Of course sometimes the most expensive Tesla does have the latest tech. It just didn't happen this time. All Tesla models will likely play leapfrog with each other as refreshes and introductions happen (excludes semi which is a wildly different category).
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But is that a good thing? If the degradation increases on your battery by another 2% per year by supercharging at 140-150 kW vs. the max I get which is 110 (for a short time period if SOC <20%), would you want this?
Actually that isn't true. You can only get the ventilated seats on the P100D.
dark cloud
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While 3 owners might get much faster charging, S/X owners will benefit even if the charging rate is only slightly improved, by eliminating shared chargers and reducing the charging time for the much higher volume Model 3's.
Since Tesla had been talking about the V3 superchargers before the 100 packs were put into production, there was some hope Tesla had included a few design changes in the newer 100 packs that would be able to take at least some advantage of the V3 superchargers, without shifting to the newer 3 pack design with the 2170 batteries.
Since Tesla had been talking about the V3 superchargers before the 100 packs were put into production, there was some hope Tesla had included a few design changes in the newer 100 packs that would be able to take at least some advantage of the V3 superchargers, without shifting to the newer 3 pack design with the 2170 batteries.
Oldschool496
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So true, as my last Supercharge experience in my 75D was I arrived super empty(on purpose) with TM3s already there. I left before them with 195 miles of range. SO if they can leave quicker, that leaves more spaces for our older tech cars.
My MS got up to 115kw >400mph in Florida. Temps were perfect and I wasn't sharing a stall.
The problem for me is that my family doesn't fit in a model 3. It's simply too small. So I need model S or X size. But we also like to take road trips and having to spend 40+ minutes at a supercharger is a drag. I'll see what Y brings and decide what to do.
Kant.Ing
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The label on a V2 transformer says 135kW. Is 145kW a typo? Either way, it's peak and not much long-term wise.
digistyl3
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Looks like they have kept the existing Tesla plug in NA. I wonder if they can push 145kW in the EU plug too. Does anyone have information on that?
When I first saw the Model 3 on SC v3, I immediately thought: “I must trade my S 100D for it”. Then I realized that it will be a long time until v3 sites are brought up on the trans-european route that I take 3-4 times a year.
When I first saw the Model 3 on SC v3, I immediately thought: “I must trade my S 100D for it”. Then I realized that it will be a long time until v3 sites are brought up on the trans-european route that I take 3-4 times a year.
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