Dozens of cars models that sell in the $30k range now have Adaptive Cruise Control that can do this. Tesla Is being left in the dust as its CEO turns his attention to the latest shiny objects.
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2017.28
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Dozens of cars models that sell in the $30k range now have Adaptive Cruise Control that can do this. Tesla Is being left in the dust as its CEO turns his attention to the latest shiny objects.
clostridium
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I've noticed that it is sometimes having lots of trouble recognizing the lane markings in places that it didn't before. Ever since I installed this update about a day ago I'm no longer able to rely on AP for my highway commute because there are times where it loses the lane markers. I'm finding that it gives me wavy lines or incorrect lines far more often that before. The situations did involve some sun glare and some areas where the lanes have been redirected (leaving behind some painted over lines) but prior software versions since even before 17.17.17 handled this with no issues. This is discouraging especially since the notes make it sound like not much was changed.
Well, on 17.26.76 that had the reduced neural net size I still see stopped cars (ie. as I proceed to park in my garage, the other car inside is detected and is displayed and you can bet it's stationary).
Worth noting here that I'm going by how the car reacts to stopped cars. I've noticed that the stopped car *does* tend show up on the dash display. Perhaps more about not detecting the correct distance?
Its a good point, Essentially what I understand from reading these posts, AutoPilot has a Looooong way to go before it learns all these . Essentially when MX/MS is following a moving CAR, It will STOP behind it normally at redlight , But if you just got behind a STOPPED car it wouldnt detect and possibly collision detection system would trigger and apply emergency brakes last minute (if collision detection is enabled) , Is my understanding right ?
By the way , I owned MS 2013 Feb and just traded for MX , waiting in Line for its arrival. Still dont have experience using AutoPilot..
timvracer
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SomeJoe7777
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This is one of the issues with being a new AP2 owner -- you're missing several years of history.
3 day old import P85D crashed while using TACC
100% right. AP2 was awful at this upon initial release, then did this extremely well until very recently. Now it is back to awful.
While all of this might be true, it does not change the fact that my original comment is true. The TACC behavior has seriously regressed for stopped cars. It was *extremely* reliable for detecting stopped cars in a distance. Now it is not. These are just the facts.
I don't see why this is relevant? AP1 is not equivalent to AP2. I can't comment on what AP1 does or does not do, but AP2 certainly did this quite well until a few weeks ago...
You are dead on (pardon the pun) about not stopping. Very accurate for not having own an AP car.
I don't drive surface streets as much as the freeway. I normally do not use AP on surface streets. On the freeway I encounter stopped cars ALL THE TIME. My car stops just fine and moves again once the car in front of me continues.
Got 2017.28.c528869 today.
Did a 300 km highway trip now with fresh install. Feels really good, they fixed the auto lane change. Much nicer, less hesitant but comfortable and quick. (sorry, didn't bring the monkey to illustrate). Could be faster to start lane change after passing adjacent car i.e. use less safety distance.
Car does not hug left lane marker any more and seems quite centered.
Still some issues to fix:
- undulations in the road surface (e.g. Road rises above a water tunnel or similar) makes the car swerve. This is not comfortable at higher speeds and will be a huge trouble in slippery conditions.
- Phantom speed reductions for campers/truck/vans a few meters ahead in outside adjacent lane (in turns).
AP2 is more confident closer to speed limit. Not to comfortable doing +20km/h above speed limits if highway is twisting.
- Shows opposite lane as available for lane change but luckily can't change to it.
Had a few AP cancellations because of these issues. Not tried local roads or congested traffic.
Did a 300 km highway trip now with fresh install. Feels really good, they fixed the auto lane change. Much nicer, less hesitant but comfortable and quick. (sorry, didn't bring the monkey to illustrate). Could be faster to start lane change after passing adjacent car i.e. use less safety distance.
Car does not hug left lane marker any more and seems quite centered.
Still some issues to fix:
- undulations in the road surface (e.g. Road rises above a water tunnel or similar) makes the car swerve. This is not comfortable at higher speeds and will be a huge trouble in slippery conditions.
- Phantom speed reductions for campers/truck/vans a few meters ahead in outside adjacent lane (in turns).
AP2 is more confident closer to speed limit. Not to comfortable doing +20km/h above speed limits if highway is twisting.
- Shows opposite lane as available for lane change but luckily can't change to it.
Had a few AP cancellations because of these issues. Not tried local roads or congested traffic.
Just to clarify, he means the system is not meant to brake when approaching stopped cars at high speed (40 mph+ especially) and should not be relied on for such.
A common example of such a scenario is driving 45mph on a local road with no leading cars, approaching a stoplight where cars are already stopped. AP is not completely safe to be trusted to cleanly brake into the line of stopped cars. AP often doesn't stop (even if it shows the cars on the display eventually), and even when it does, the car shown on display sometimes suddenly disappears when close and AP accelerates right into the back of the stopped car ahead.
Overall, the advice to everyone is don't wait to brake because you think AP will react. Please stay safe and consider this your responsibility.
Tried the new update a few more times in case time of day or weather might be impacting my experiences. Unfortunately my final verdict on this update is full regression from the prior version in every way that matters.
The lines show that the cameras are seeing perpetual earthquakes instead of solid and steady road. And this is when it can actually see road lines - its ability to detect road lines has been significantly diminished.
This is the first time I have experienced a regression here, so feeling a bit bummed out. But there will be more updates that hopefully put things back on track. Until then I'll stick with TACC and avoid auto steer completely.
The lines show that the cameras are seeing perpetual earthquakes instead of solid and steady road. And this is when it can actually see road lines - its ability to detect road lines has been significantly diminished.
This is the first time I have experienced a regression here, so feeling a bit bummed out. But there will be more updates that hopefully put things back on track. Until then I'll stick with TACC and avoid auto steer completely.
I agree but welcome this shift. Fawking wing doors and lies about Stanford are all I want to hear from that guy. Spin your hype so the engineers have the money they need and see yourself out!
Interesting that some say better and some say worse. I've seen a few posts about how it takes a few miles to recalibrate or something after an update. Is this generally considered to be true?
Just got my update installed but won't be driving until tomorrow morning.
Just got my update installed but won't be driving until tomorrow morning.
ahkahn
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Driving right now after getting update. Was on 26.92 and it wasn't bad, but rather jerky... and the lane changes were atrocious.
This 28.c52636282 update is freakin' near perfect. I've gone about 100 highway miles and haven't had to disconnect autopilot once. Bravo guys!!
This 28.c52636282 update is freakin' near perfect. I've gone about 100 highway miles and haven't had to disconnect autopilot once. Bravo guys!!
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