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I have heard from multiple sources...
- TM is delivering (some?) cars earlier than estimated.
- DS's and OA's are often not in the loop.
- In many cases, TM is assigning VINs "automatically" immediately after the order clock runs out (7-day period). But all that means (for now) is that the order is Finalized and cannot be changed, even for a $500 fee.

Can anyone else verify that last point?
 
For last point, I've heard of people changing orders slightly (with fee, and sometimes without) after a Vin # is assigned. Some options do not participate in portions of the Vin # and are only options installed during production.

The question should be asked of your DS, if they are available.
 
@docBliny: Did they give you an idea or estimate of delivery date? I ordered 7/17, confirmed 7/24, got my VIN 7/31 and have been told (all along) that I can expect delivery by mid- to late-September. But the DS is telling me to finish financing (which is already approved, so I don't know what else I am supposed to do) because it needs to be ready 30 days before delivery... Scratching my head with that, since that would mean mid August at the earliest that I would need to do anything further with financing. However, several posts I have seen suggests that they are delivering some cars a week or two ahead of the "estimated" time.

My DS seemed fairly confident about September delivery (but of course "can't guarantee anything") and the automated email states "September - Early October". Maybe the financing bit had more to do with the normal 30 day rate lock that bank usual have?

//TB
 
Weird, my order was confirmed today (ordered a week ago) and I got my VIN (168xx) but the email from Tesla estimating my delivery date doesn't properly show the date range. It reads: "You should expect your delivery in $Delivery_Date_Estimated." I sent an email to my DS to clarify.
 
Anyone planning on using their X60 on a few road trips? In CA at least, superchargers are 120-150 miles apart at most so assuming ideal conditions, it should be do-able in the 60. But then you add in climate control, elevation, lead foot etc... I can see how range anxiety can build up.
 
Anyone planning on using their X60 on a few road trips? In CA at least, superchargers are 120-150 miles apart at most so assuming ideal conditions, it should be do-able in the 60. But then you add in climate control, elevation, lead foot etc... I can see how range anxiety can build up.

6-8 times a year. Morgantown, WV to Derby, VT 4-5 times, Myrtle Beach once and Disney this winter.

Vermont trip up first in November. Very comforting to know the 75 is there if we find that the 60 just isn't enough.
 
6-8 times a year. Morgantown, WV to Derby, VT 4-5 times, Myrtle Beach once and Disney this winter.

Vermont trip up first in November. Very comforting to know the 75 is there if we find that the 60 just isn't enough.

Just have to remember the upgrade can take a few days to be pushed, so it seems you can't rely on that as a backup on the go.

//TB
 
My 60D X arrived last week, but unfortunately can't pick it up until early next week due to some BS North Carolina regulatory issues. Apparently in NC any "new" car model has to pass some sort of regulatory approval before a sale can be made, and that will finish up early next week. The SC has been super accommodating -- but it sucks to have it just sit there while we wait for red tape to get sorted out.
 
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Congrats techymd!

Would you be able to ask the delivery specialist- if we can every day charge to 100% without damaging the battery? Thanks!

You have to ask them what level the State of Charge (SOC) the 60 is limited to. It is hopefully "in the middle" rather than just lopping off the lower-end of the SOC.

Let's say a 75 "100% charge" is the state of charge range from say 2% to 98% (~4% off a ~76)
The software limited 60 should be from 10 to 90%, for example (20% off a ~76)
The range should not be from 24% to 98% just "stopping" when the voltage hits 24%, let's say.

(Percentages are based on the main pack's voltage reading overall for EVs)

If they can prove that the 60 software limit is "in the middle" then charging fully daily should be possible.
If they cannot explain what the SOC "range" is - escalate that question to the factory staff and get back to us. You should know this detail when thinking about treating the battery well.

Tesla would also want to use the middle range, or even the lower range, such as 4% to 84%. I don't like seeing Li-Ion getting near the top 5% or bottom 5% in anything but I think it is one of the reasons some Li-Ion products (apple, for instance) go bad sooner rather than later - they may be using the full state of charge and not limiting the top and bottom reach of the state of charge (SOC) range.

State of Charge is basically from about 3.0V on the low end to 4.2V on the top end (and varies based on Li-Ion chemistry). I think I read that the Panasonic cells have a low voltage level below 3.0V. You do want to keep it off the "knees" of the graph. So, 4.1V down to 3.0V is a reasonable range. Range charging pushes it to the battery's rated maximum voltage, which also isn't recommended to be done "often". 20% of the 3.4mAh battery would be a 2.72 mAh window - however look below. Tests of some cells only allowed for 3.2mAh until it dropped to unsafe "post-knee" levels done by someone who picked up cells similar to what Tesla uses.

If I were to program the 60 "range charge" using the 75 battery, I would take it from 4.05V per cell down to 3.2V to stay in a healthy window. They have basically built a Chevy Volt battery profile by doing this - very good for the health of the battery. And as you may know, many MS90 owners who drive under 100 miles a day may charge "up to" 75% rather than a higher level daily. This keeps the battery healthy. Some have written here that they wanted to always range-charge, daily, "in case of emergency" arising in the family and the range being needed. I don't see that as a viable choice.

Test of Panasonic NCR18650B 3400mAh (Green)

Panasonic%20NCR18650B%203400mAh%20(Green)-Capacity.png


Overall, the health of the 60 battery (using a 75 kWh battery) put through daily range-charges will be more healthy than 75 and 90 batteries which are range-charged often, years later, due to better automatic SOC range treatment - but only if they use the "middle" range of the SOC.
 
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You have to ask them what level the State of Charge (SOC) the 60 is limited to. It is hopefully "in the middle" rather than just lopping off the lower-end of the SOC.

Let's say a 75 "100% charge" is the state of charge range from say 2% to 98% (~4% off a ~76)
The software limited 60 should be from 10 to 90%, for example (20% off a ~76)
The range should not be from 24% to 98% just "stopping" when the voltage hits 24%, let's say.

(Percentages are based on the main pack's voltage reading overall for EVs)

If they can prove that the 60 software limit is "in the middle" then charging fully daily should be possible.
If they cannot explain what the SOC "range" is - escalate that question to the factory staff and get back to us. You should know this detail when thinking about treating the battery well.

Tesla would also want to use the middle range, or even the lower range, such as 4% to 84%. I don't like seeing Li-Ion getting near the top 5% or bottom 5% in anything but I think it is one of the reasons some Li-Ion products (apple, for instance) go bad sooner rather than later - they may be using the full state of charge and not limiting the top and bottom reach of the state of charge (SOC) range.

State of Charge is basically from about 3.0V on the low end to 4.2V on the top end (and varies based on Li-Ion chemistry). I think I read that the Panasonic cells have a low voltage level below 3.0V. You do want to keep it off the "knees" of the graph. So, 4.1V down to 3.0V is a reasonable range. Range charging pushes it to the battery's rated maximum voltage, which also isn't recommended to be done "often". 20% of the 3.4mAh battery would be a 2.72 mAh window - however look below. Tests of some cells only allowed for 3.2mAh until it dropped to unsafe "post-knee" levels done by someone who picked up cells similar to what Tesla uses.

If I were to program the 60 "range charge" using the 75 battery, I would take it from 4.05V per cell down to 3.2V to stay in a healthy window. They have basically built a Chevy Volt battery profile by doing this - very good for the health of the battery. And as you may know, many MS90 owners who drive under 100 miles a day may charge "up to" 75% rather than a higher level daily. This keeps the battery healthy. Some have written here that they wanted to always range-charge, daily, "in case of emergency" arising in the family and the range being needed. I don't see that as a viable choice.

Test of Panasonic NCR18650B 3400mAh (Green)

Panasonic%20NCR18650B%203400mAh%20(Green)-Capacity.png


Overall, the health of the 60 battery (using a 75 kWh battery) put through daily range-charges will be more healthy than 75 and 90 batteries which are range-charged often, years later, due to better automatic SOC range treatment - but only if they use the "middle" range of the SOC.

Will be sure to ask that. If anyone else has any other questions to ask let me know as well. Thanks