Elon suggests radar will be removed.Elon said:
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AlanSubie4Life
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Oh thank the heavens, no more phantom braking.
M3BlueGeorgia
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Not good.
The radar allows the car to look under the car in front and see what is happening ahead. Good for emergency braking when the car in front is following too closely to the car in front of it.
AlanSubie4Life
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Don't worry, I think the chances of it being removed are approximately zero. And at the moment there is no indication that the function and sensor use of Autopilot on the highway has changed at all with any of these builds. (Though many of us hope it will at some point.)
Sometimes I wonder if Elon is like one of those people you see in movies (and probably real life) who make an *incredible*, statistically unheard of run at the craps table, and then start getting more and more cocky, and then suddenly the dice stop rolling their way but they bet too big and throw away all their big wins.
if so, i wonder how far we are from seeing the losing bets getting scooped up by the croupier.
if so, i wonder how far we are from seeing the losing bets getting scooped up by the croupier.
Knightshade
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Other than the CEO explicitly saying it would be removed...
The FSD beta code was only city streets, it didn't touch the highway code at all.
Nevertheless Elons tweet is saying they're planning to remove radar entirely
(some pretty decent possible reasons for why it was just too hard to keep using radar data with the 4D re-write over here)
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That said- I absolutely think radar makes the car safer since, unlike Lidar, is can provide data you can not get with cameras- so I find the inability to retain radar in the rewrite disappointing.
AlanSubie4Life
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Yes, but as the Oracle of Elon (@powertoold ) has pointed out in another thread, he just said it can be removed. Not that it would be. It's completely silly in any case. It's not like Elon has been true to his word on every occasion, so I'm not too concerned about it being removed any time soon.
Regarding the speculative post you linked...I'm not convinced by that argument regarding incorporating memory for radar signals. It's going to take quite some time for them to bring PureVision® to the highway in any case.
I guess we'll see. The main thing to me is: Elon saying it
We'll see whether it remains that way (and overall it does appear to be retained, just not in the rewritten portion). They can only focus on so much at once. I'm sure they'll revisit this proposition when they get around to implementing highway vision.
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jabloomf1230
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rxlawdude
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I suppose that makes a binding contract with you to have Tesla remove your radar.
Knightshade
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I suppose that makes a binding contract with you to have Tesla remove your radar.
You again appear to completely fail to grasp the most basic ideas of what a contract entails.
Like requiring agreement from all relevant parties for example.
goRt
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Remove *from software*I suppose that makes a binding contract with you to have Tesla remove your radar.
That would be you clicking "install update"
There are currently 5 forward facing cameras:
Autopilot
All new Tesla vehicles are equipped with the hardware needed for Autopilot and Full Self-Driving capability features, designed to improve functionality over time.
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Side cameras can't see directly ahead.There are currently 5 forward facing cameras:
Autopilot
All new Tesla vehicles are equipped with the hardware needed for Autopilot and Full Self-Driving capability features, designed to improve functionality over time.
Knightshade
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Forward-side looking is still forward- so Elon is technically correct, which is the best kind of correct.
That said, infinite cameras still can't see through or around solid objects so it in no way solves the actual problem that radar does.
That said, infinite cameras still can't see through or around solid objects so it in no way solves the actual problem that radar does.
That's probably why he said "forward" and not "front." Instead of only looking ahead with the radar azimuth roughly matching the main camera, the pillar cameras provide some redundancy with the fisheye:
Notice the white minivan isn't visible "directly ahead" but probably good that multiple cameras see it to predict range and velocity.
Side facing camera is not forward facing. Perhaps Elon meant 5 forward looking, rather than 5 forward facing.
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