An annoying issue with AA and CP are the stability problems during normal use when using bluetooth or even a direct connection. And it varies from phone to phone and even car to car. They do provide a great alternative otherwise (I particularly like Waze), however IMO, a car in this price range should have a built-in Nav system that's dependable and up-to-date.
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Car & Driver: The Mach E is simply better than the Model Y
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roc-noc
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Your key words are "should have" which can be applied to NAV and many other issues such as HUD. (Wife has that in her BMW. Nice.)
I ordered the only factory GPS/NAV unit that was available for my 2015 MB 2500 Sprinter van and the best "deluxe" sound system. The NAV made by Becker was total garbage. And no free updates. They wanted crazy money for that. Same with the high end stereo. I ended up using a $200 Garmin GPS with Lifetime updates instead of the factory junk. I finally replaced the stereo with a nice modest Alpine unit with radio and CarPlay. A huge improvement. Now its a keeper.
I also added CarPlay to my 2016 Ford Edge as soon as it was available. (late 2016) It has been very reliable for the past 4 years. Both my Ford and the MB are direct connect for CarPlay.
CP and HUD were things I was hoping to see added to Tesla Model S but I understand that EM runs Tesla much like Steve Jobs did Apple so probably never happen.
I ordered the only factory GPS/NAV unit that was available for my 2015 MB 2500 Sprinter van and the best "deluxe" sound system. The NAV made by Becker was total garbage. And no free updates. They wanted crazy money for that. Same with the high end stereo. I ended up using a $200 Garmin GPS with Lifetime updates instead of the factory junk. I finally replaced the stereo with a nice modest Alpine unit with radio and CarPlay. A huge improvement. Now its a keeper.
I also added CarPlay to my 2016 Ford Edge as soon as it was available. (late 2016) It has been very reliable for the past 4 years. Both my Ford and the MB are direct connect for CarPlay.
CP and HUD were things I was hoping to see added to Tesla Model S but I understand that EM runs Tesla much like Steve Jobs did Apple so probably never happen.
RobDickinson
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I don't get the allure of Car Play. Maps in Tesla are so much better. Pretty slick and I believe it uses Google maps?
Not interested in seeing text messages on the center screen. What else?
Not interested in seeing text messages on the center screen. What else?
RobDickinson
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Nope. Routing is done by the proprietary Tesla Navigation system. (Based on the open source MapBox and Valhalla.)
RobDickinson
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hm seems so, they use google traffic data , and google maps as a base.. ah my memory is like a telsa 8gb eMMC
Again, nope. Tesla uses their own maps, based on Open Street Map. I'm not sure where traffic data comes from, but I think it is a combination of data from their own vehicles and TomTom.
The only thing they use from Google is the satellite and display maps.
Drove a car with a HUD. It's a nice to have but can easily live without it. Give me a reliable Nav App where I can just punch in my destination and go without worrying about the data integrity. Tesla's Nav does just that. Tested it on a long trip this past weekend and it did exactly what I needed it to.
RobDickinson
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Elon Musk Says Tesla Will Build Its Own Maps From GPS & Fleet Data
Tesla is already gathering enough data to be able to create its own maps (or a routing engine) that will help in navigating parking or private spaces.insideevs.com
Tesla currently uses Google Maps as the base. Then, the Silicon Valley automaker will "pinpoint" specific locations of interests. The navigation data and routing engine are provided by another software company, MapBox, which has been working on these projects for about a decade now.
Actually use mapbox in my own projects..
I don't think that article is accurate. Before they created their own maps they used Navigon maps for navigation.
Yup. Have done several thousand mile plus trips using solely Tesla NAV. Works great.
More the reason I simply don't see the allure of Car Play. I find it not very useful. Tesla's UI is much better - IMHO
mk677
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I have used car play in many different cars and have never had any sort of stability issues, maybe your phone isn't working properly
Never used CarPlay, only Android Auto. But CarPlay users complained about the same issues I've had with AA. I lump them in the same boat Check on any car forum where CarPlay / AA are supported. Like I said, it varies from phone to phone, car to car. Some people claim no issues, others, lots of problems. Typical issues you'll see posted about CarPlay:
Apple CarPlay connectivity issues
For the most part, everything had been working fine. For the last week I had been having problems with my Iphone 11 ProMax connecting to AppleCarplay. Sometimes when connecting wirelessly; BlueTooth would not connect on the car but showed connected on my phone. If I connected with USB it would...
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This has been my experience with AA on 2 different cars. Works well sometimes, others it would randomly shut down or won't connect.
I used AA with 2017 civic, 2017 GTI, and a lot rentals, on Google's own phones Pixel 3 and Pixel 4a 5G.
AA has quite some issues with varieties of messaging/VoIP software. Teams meeting may or may not work on BT when you are on AA but always works just on BT without AA.
Sometimes AA just won't start.
A lot times AA lags on voice input.
The only value in AA is Google map to me. I'd rather use BT for meetings, phone calls and music.
AA has quite some issues with varieties of messaging/VoIP software. Teams meeting may or may not work on BT when you are on AA but always works just on BT without AA.
Sometimes AA just won't start.
A lot times AA lags on voice input.
The only value in AA is Google map to me. I'd rather use BT for meetings, phone calls and music.
MontyFloyd
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Since the Mach-E came out I have only seen 3 in my neighborhood.Wow. Car & Driver did not mince words in this head to head matchup.
Comparison Test: 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E vs. 2020 Tesla Model Y
Tesla's Model Y butts heads with Ford's electric crossover.www.caranddriver.com
The simple truth is that the MY came to market a year earlier, allowing Ford to take aim and level it. The MME is a better value, better looking, better built, smoother driving, easier to operate, and quieter car.
Really the only material reasons to buy a Y are if you like the Tesla software/minimalist ecosystem, you want to pay $10k to be a “full self driving” (it’s not, and it’s many years away, but it’s further along than Ford) guinea pig, or if you plan to road trip so much that need the superior convenience of the supercharger network (a gap that is closing thanks to all other mfgs adopting CCS).
This is the way of things. Competition continually improves. The Mach E wins this segment. We’ll see what the future holds.
I see 3 Tesla's every day
Heck, I see a Leaf and i3 more frequently than Mach-E
BTW, the Model Y is the *LOW END* Tesla SUV (granted the price range is about the same)
C&D setting a low bar to compare the Mach-E to?
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MontyFloyd
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Given the function parameters used in aircraft "autopilot", it is actually an appropriate name even for a car.
I live in MI (home of Ford) and have only seen a few Mach E’s since they launched. But if it means one less gas car on the road, great!
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