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barjohn
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The only problem with that is you are not someone the press will listen to so your voice is lost in the forum forests and not seen or heard by the general public. Elon has a microphone that the general public will listen to and the press is forced to respond. They could care less about your or my opinion for that matter.
I do think that a service that rates the quality of news is a good thing that is way beyond time. Up until a few years ago, the packaging of the news gave you a feel for the quality. All sources put their spin on the news and there are many instances of slanting it for one purpose or another like William Randolph Hurst's papers spinning what was going on in Cuba to a degree it got the US into a war with Spain. However the "quality" news sources usually checked their facts and had a code of ethics they followed. The sources that did their homework on stories were on TV and printed under mastheads that had a quality reputation. The "yellow" journalism rags were sometimes found in supermarket checkout lines, but the worst were printed on a mimeograph machine or worn out second hand printer in someone's basement and looked it.
I remember when I was at Boeing back around 1990 and they had a pretty long and nasty strike of the hourly workers. The local socialist party took the opportunity to print up their own news flying and it got around. It looked very amateurish and the quality of the printing looked just as bad as the contents.
Today we have TV programs with top notch production quality and web sites which look as good as those of any quality news source that are spouting BS that is all unsupported assertion with little or no facts to back them up. People born in the era when the quality of the package was usually a good indicator of the quality of the news content are suckered in by this new form of media. Their BS detectors are set to a different era. The Millennials and younger don't buy the slick packaging because they grew up in this environment.
It's bad optics. For those who don't live in the US, you aren't exposed to the daily dose of massive whining from the White House via Twitter that even those who have never been on Twitter are painfully aware of. Elon's complaints have far more substance than Donald Trump's, but the delivery is too close to Trump's for a lot of people's comfort.
Donald Trump might be the most polarizing figure in American political history, and we've had some major competitors for that title. Pollsters usually ask about what people think of the job he's doing, but on the rare occasion they ask if people like him or not, around 2/3 say they don't like him and a very large percentage of those people say they strongly dislike him. Anything even close to Trump's behavior like ranting on Twitter sets people off.
Historically Elon Musk is very good with the inanimate, but he pretty much sucks in reading and reacting to the squishy things in the people realm. In his biography by Ashley Vance there is a section where Vance talks about how Elon figured out early in his career that he was going to have to figure out how to manage people if he was going to get where he wanted to. He put a lot of effort into getting to the point where he is now, which is not exactly a "good boss". He only manages to retain employees because they believe in his vision.
Musk's strength is not reading people. He's learned how to pick up some cues and how to react to them, but it's not his strength. He's not as bad as Bill Gates who I believe probably has Asperger's (which is a mild form of autism that leaves a person with almost no ability to learn social skills), but people stuff is still not something Elon is very good at.
Nobody is great at everything. Most people who are extremely talented in one area have big weaknesses in others. I've known some people who are geniuses in one or two areas and they are complete disasters in other areas compared to the general population. History has shown that people with the kind of talent Elon has for invention usually comes at a price in the people talent department. People work very, very differently than Physics and skills that work in one don't transfer to the other.
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Most of what you say is just your opinion and not backed up with any facts. The notion that some unbiased group of great integrity can rate the quality of news and we should trust it is both naive and I hate to say it, a stupid notion. The news should present facts that can be independently verified (sorry but that means not anonymous sources). Anonymous sources have axes to grind and we don't know what they are and have no way to verify the truth or falsehood of what they say. If they can't publicly state and defend what they have to say then it isn't worthy of being news. Put it in an opinion piece if you feel you must put it out there but be prepared to be roasted for not being able to back it up.
Where I break with Elon is crowd sourcing the ratings. That can be ginned way too easily. What he needs is a search engine system like Google tied with a rating system like fivethirtyeight.com uses to rate pollsters. Sites that report accurate, verifiable facts will have higher ratings for new articles and the Alex Jones of the world will have very, very low ratings. Sites that have not been rated that correlate their facts with sites that do have high ratings will get high accuracy marks for their news stories.
Leaving it up to people to rate stories is doomed to failure.
Another thing would be to highlight opinion separately from statements that are factual.
The internet did to journalism what the cellphone did to driving. Made idiots come out of the wood work.
Elon should take a brake from the Twitter. The ongoing frenzy regarding journalism and the very latest Erin Biba vs Elon musk fight is not good for Musk or Tesla.
Note, that I'm not saying Elon is wrong or Erin Biba is wrong. But this is not goof for Tesla.
Note, that I'm not saying Elon is wrong or Erin Biba is wrong. But this is not goof for Tesla.
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All new tech has upsides and downsides. I'm sure there will be downsides to the tech we're developing now.
When the internet came along, very few people foresaw trolls, fake news proliferating, spam, and the other evils we've seen with it. It still has a big upside too.
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AndreN
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A rather negative article from The Seattle Times' Jon Talton about Elon: link
If anyone wants to respond to Jon (politely pointing out how he's mistaken), you can email him at [email protected] . There are also online comments after the article but since I don't have an account, I can't reply/refute anything there.
If anyone wants to respond to Jon (politely pointing out how he's mistaken), you can email him at [email protected] . There are also online comments after the article but since I don't have an account, I can't reply/refute anything there.
That's not journalism, it's just a rant. I was particularly struck by this fallacious argument:
"Sure, you build good stuff but don't deserve any credit because someone else could have done it."
RobStark
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I don't understand, Elon is nothing like a dusted cheeto scrotum
I’d love to see a way to expose autocompany and investor corporate warfare, paid trolls and funded FUD campaigns. Including unions and Corporations themselves.... but that is what good journalism is yes?
I think it’s very fair for musk to call out disingenuous articles and hidden agendas.
And it’s so hard nowadays to find investigive reporting that isn’t biased. My local paper has turned into a clickbaity web page. Sucks.
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Elon Musk plans to sell ‘major’ stake in Tesla in ‘about 20 years’ to finance SpaceX’s Mars plans
Elon Musk has previously said that he will be “the last one to sell his Tesla stocks”, but the CEO now clarifies what it means in practice. He plans to sell a ‘major’ stake in Tesla in ‘about 20 years’ to finance SpaceX’s Mars colonization plans. Musk is in a unique position as the CEO of two multi-billion-dollar companies: Tesla and SpaceX. Investors, analysts, and the public, in general, have long been fascinated about how he juggles his roles among the two companies, and now his many new startups, like The Boring Company, Neuralink, and maybe even a new media company?
At one point, Musk expressed interest in leaving his role as CEO of Tesla in order to focus on SpaceX while remaining Chairman of the Board and being involved in product development at the automaker. That was supposed to happen after achieving volume production of the Model 3, but he appears to have given up on those plans as he settles in his dual CEO role. He received a new CEO compensation plan at Tesla which is based on a long-term commitment. The compensation plan could also ultimately result in a multi-billion dollar payout that would significantly increase Musk’s already large stake in Tesla.
Today, the CEO clarified his long-term plan for his stake in the company and stock options from his compensation plan:
Musk is referring to his sale of 2,782,670 shares of Tesla in 2016, which at the time was worth close to $600 million, to pay taxes and donate to charity. As Musk previously stated, that’s the only reason he would sell Tesla shares. Now he says that he will do that “every few years”, but he also added that in “about 20 years”, he will initiate a “major disbursement”, which likely means selling a large stake in the company.
Elon Musk has previously said that he will be “the last one to sell his Tesla stocks”, but the CEO now clarifies what it means in practice. He plans to sell a ‘major’ stake in Tesla in ‘about 20 years’ to finance SpaceX’s Mars colonization plans. Musk is in a unique position as the CEO of two multi-billion-dollar companies: Tesla and SpaceX. Investors, analysts, and the public, in general, have long been fascinated about how he juggles his roles among the two companies, and now his many new startups, like The Boring Company, Neuralink, and maybe even a new media company?
At one point, Musk expressed interest in leaving his role as CEO of Tesla in order to focus on SpaceX while remaining Chairman of the Board and being involved in product development at the automaker. That was supposed to happen after achieving volume production of the Model 3, but he appears to have given up on those plans as he settles in his dual CEO role. He received a new CEO compensation plan at Tesla which is based on a long-term commitment. The compensation plan could also ultimately result in a multi-billion dollar payout that would significantly increase Musk’s already large stake in Tesla.
Today, the CEO clarified his long-term plan for his stake in the company and stock options from his compensation plan:
Musk is referring to his sale of 2,782,670 shares of Tesla in 2016, which at the time was worth close to $600 million, to pay taxes and donate to charity. As Musk previously stated, that’s the only reason he would sell Tesla shares. Now he says that he will do that “every few years”, but he also added that in “about 20 years”, he will initiate a “major disbursement”, which likely means selling a large stake in the company.
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