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Well Tesla is slowly becoming the official 2024 MAGA Car.

It’s an “everyone who has the money to buy” car because it’s the most user friendly with the most comprehensive network. The EV (and Tesla for that matter) is no longer a dalliance of the coastal elite and coastal elite wannabe.

Welcome to the mainstream, take a number and sit down.
 
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It’s an “everyone who has the money to buy” car because it’s the most user friendly with the most comprehensive network. The EV (and Tesla for that matter) is no longer a dalliance of the coastal elite and coastal elite wannabe.

Welcome to the mainstream, take a number and sit down.

Mainstream is MAGA ideology? Good to know.

Oh man, when the CT comes out it’s going to be awesome with the creative bumper stickers…….

BTW, why does everyone act like only one side is “elite” when the other side clearly has “elite” written all over them but try to act like they are the “working man” 🤣
 
Oh man, when the CT comes out it’s going to be awesome with the creative bumper stickers…….

Not only are bumper stickers passe, but the stainless steel design of the CT will give display opportunity as one very large billboard for whatever the owner (or the tagger?) will spray/draw/paint/apply to them. There will be some very over-the-top messages on those things. Gonna be fun.
 
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It is extremely off base and irresponsible to dismiss/justify Elon's actions as the product of a "15 year old kid" mentality.

He is a sociopath. A severely mentally ill sociopath and a danger to society.

No "15 year old kid" without severe mental illness would praise Putin's invasion of Ukraine, praise Xi's impending invasion of Taiwan, Macau, and Hong Kong, fabricate bizarre irrational lies about cave rescuers being "pedos" or Pelosi being attacked by his gay, drunk, high, male prostitute, on their way to a pizza restaurant to drink the blood of children in the basement.

No "15 year old kid" would publicly attack his own transgender child by mocking their pronoun preference.

No "15 year old kid" would trivialize the holocaust by equating it to some well-intended temporary public health measures at the Canadian border crossing.

And no "15 year old African kid" would dare to show up in *my* country and actively work to overthrow it by promoting, amplifying, legitimizing, and advancing the agendas of those who seek to destroy America.
 
It is extremely off base and irresponsible to dismiss/justify Elon's actions as the product of a "15 year old kid" mentality.

He is a sociopath. A severely mentally ill sociopath and a danger to society.

No "15 year old kid" without severe mental illness would praise Putin's invasion of Ukraine, praise Xi's impending invasion of Taiwan, Macau, and Hong Kong, fabricate bizarre irrational lies about cave rescuers being "pedos" or Pelosi being attacked by his gay, drunk, high, male prostitute, on their way to a pizza restaurant to drink the blood of children in the basement.

No "15 year old kid" would publicly attack his own transgender child by mocking their pronoun preference.

No "15 year old kid" would trivialize the holocaust by equating it to some well-intended temporary public health measures at the Canadian border crossing.

And no "15 year old African kid" would dare to show up in *my* country and actively work to overthrow it by promoting, amplifying, legitimizing, and advancing the agendas of those who seek to destroy America.

First off many 15 year old kids can have some screwy beliefs about a lot of things. And it doesn't take a sociopath to do the things you listed here. They are typical of people who are not born sociopaths who have been sucked into a cult.

There was an experiment done in the early 1960s which showed how humans can do horrible things due to social pressure. It's called the Milgram Experiment
Milgram experiment - Wikipedia

Going in they predicted very few test subjects would go all the way towards shocking the actor (who they thought was the test subject) at maximum voltage, but they were surprised to find most went all the way, though all questioned it at some point.

My partner participated in this experiment during her undergrad Psychology program. Every member of her class were put in the position of the person administering the shocks. As soon as she figured out what was going on, she quit. The professor told her she would get a zero for that lab and it would affect her grade, but she stood on principle and left. Later in class the professor introduced the class to the Milgram Experiment and discussed the results of the first study. She said only one student refused to participate, a few dropped out before reaching maximum voltage, but all but the one did stick in there until they were administering high (fake) voltages. The actor appeared to be in a lot of agony.

It's a rare bird who will never yield to peer pressure. There are people with relatively high resistance, but a depressingly large percentage of the population have a soft moral compass that changes with their peer groups.

This is alien to me personally, but I've seen it more times than I can count, a large number of people like having an excuse to be a bit anti-social. It's why online forums will devolve into cesspits of negativity if left unmoderated. Not everyone will go there, but if one person starts getting rude, trolling, etc. others will "return fire" and the forum devolves into a barroom brawl.

Elon has not shown a history of sociopathic behavior. A sociopath is actually called an Antisocial Personality Disorder in the DSM-V. This is the diagnostic criteria which does have some overlap with other conditions

1. failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
2. deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
3. impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
4. irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
5. reckless disregard for safety of self or others
6. consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations
7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another.

For a clinical diagnosis it requires at least three of these patterns to match and these behaviors also need to be seen to some degree before age 15, though it usually comes into full blossom in adolescence.

My partner's ex-brother-in-law had an APD, and he was a con-man to those who hadn't figured him out and dangerously violent with those who had. He told people he had degrees which he didn't have (he barely finished high school, though was extremely intelligent) and was always running a hustle to get money and other things.

Elon does have some behaviors that can be explained in other ways. He is behaving more antisocial lately, but he had few of these signs years ago.

He has said he has Asperger's and his historic behavior does fit that diagnosis. He has poor social skills and is not very good at reading social cues. It also made him a bad manager.

Somebody with Asperger's and a feeling like they need to belong would be vulnerable to getting drawn into a cult-like community. He would feel like he was part of the club when the cult was just using him for their own ends. People have observed that since Elon took over Twitter the bulk of the followers he interacts with are far right activists.

I hope he wakes up from this path and changes direction soon. It's not good for him, nor is it good for any of his companies.
 
Well said @wdolson, the Milgram Experiment and its more famous successor the "Stanford Experiment" are good lab studies of the social phenomenon researched by Dietrich Bonhoeffer, concisely summarized here:


And we certainly saw this exact scenario unfold overnight around Elon Musk:
Republicans who have universally despised Musk for being an immigrant, creating low-pollution cars, contributing to science and other anti-Christian activities, and being a "California elite" suddenly flipped to warship when they learned that he is a genuinely bad person.

The worker abuse, lies, misogyny, insults, and idolization of the world's most brutal and despicable dictators are literally the qualities that people now value most in him. This socially contagious erosion of morality is frightening to witness today on the scale of a nation, yet at the speed of a lab experiment.
 
Well he has said many times that he will quit Tesla, SpaceX, Boring, and even Twitter because he wants to have a greater influence on the world.


...and he has fully aligned himself with the Republican party:

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...and urged Americans to "Vote Republican"


Could this all be the kickoff to his 2024 Presidential Campaign? All he has left to do is grab a few women by the crotch and Clarence Thomas will gladly update the constitution to appoint him as America's first foreign president!

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Well he has said many times that he will quit Tesla, SpaceX, Boring, and even Twitter because he wants to have a greater influence on the world.


...and he has fully aligned himself with the Republican party:

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...and urged Americans to "Vote Republican"


Could this all be the kickoff to his 2024 Presidential Campaign? All he has left to do is grab a few women by the crotch and Clarence Thomas will gladly update the constitution to appoint him as America's first foreign president!

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Or read what Elon Musk wrote. Worth looking out for what happens if the presidency swaps or if there's a similar tweet advocating balance within a US state. He's mostly voted democrat previously himself. I think many people would consider that the "primary" ("selection" in my country) amplifies extremes. Once the political party members have selected their candidate, most candidates dash back to the middle ground to get elected by the real/general voters. When an electoral area is a monocrop of a single party, corruption soon follows, whatever the political hue. Diversity helps, responsible reportage helps, independent judiciary helps.

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