Anyone else ready for 10.69.3 so we can talk about something other than roundabouts and that pedestrian median situation?
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FSD Beta 10.69
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PACEMD
Active Member
It's never too early to start complaining about future software. 2022.20.19 is this afternoon showing up on Stats.........it's only a bug fix.........it's not 69.3.........it's worse than the devil in blue with a tattoo of the pope and a lust for phantom barking........it's blah blah blah.........
EVNow
Well-Known Member
Its actually about time we spend considerable amount of time talking about roundabouts.
CULT is so last release ...
Reddy Kilowatt
Active Member
FSD
only had the issue the one time. Has run it fine ever since.
driven several new routes with out issue. After today I’ll have driven almost 1000 miles this week. One big fail turning left in two lane turn the car suddenly vered right into the car to my right. Almost hit him. It was like the car lost track of the lines and tried to center between the two lines.
sandman1330
Member
I have a turn nearby where this happens nearly every time. I think it’s the same, it loses track of the centerline.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
66%; solved. (4/6, was not counting carefully though.) Time to move on to roundabouts. CULT is so last release.
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sleepydoc
Well-Known Member
Agreed - like I’ve said before, FSD still has problems with unprotected RIGHT turns. This includes roundabouts but far more common are yield lanes at stoplights. (Functionally they’re the same as a single lane roundabout.)
Maybe I should start making you tube videos about them.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
sleepydoc
Well-Known Member
No, you need to temper your expectations - only one at a time!
Ummm... I've seen loads of improvements. Besides, you do know it's beta, right? Oh, and using it is voluntary! People who do use it are helping to speed further improvements.
This is very different from traditional systems that can be purely developed in-house and then the production version is reased to the market. Real-world experience and feedback are required for FSD's development.
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Daniel in SD
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All this talk of roundabouts and right turns makes me scared there will be a regression on left turns. So close to 90% (one nine!) now. I'm hoping the fact the that Chuck hasn't seen any more testing means they finally figured out how to simulate the turn and they'll be able to get it over the hump and avoid regressions. Fingers crossed.
So we're all guinea pigs testing quarter-baked software that we paid $15k for, hoping it won't run over children or drive us off a cliff? All with hardware constantly being removed against our will, and cameras so crappy that my 1990s Palm Pilot could beat them.
Ever since the 69 release, it also has problems slowing at roads that gently curve off the main road when it never slowed before. A curve so gentle you have to manually turn the indicator off when driving normally.
This slowing leaves the end of your car hanging in the through lane much longer than it should.
Intersection, traveling south on a 45mph road, turning right onto a 55mph road. You can see it is an easy turn with no drop in mph required:
Car slows to 18, 12, 9mph - slow enough that other drivers honk.
I report this every time it happens because it is a hazard.
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Yet another example of why this car needs to be recalled off the roads. Dangerous maneuvers that cause accidents and force other cars to panic. Yet they keep removing features from the car - features we paid for! And this is the result.
EVNow
Well-Known Member
You should keep a log to check what your disengagement rate is. I guess it will be better than mine ...
willow_hiller
Well-Known Member
Thanks for making it abundantly clear that you're running a satire account, and every post you've ever made and ever will make cannot be taken seriously.
I don't find your dry humor amusing, but hopefully some others on this forum are entertained by your whimsical posts.
Edit: Wait, I take it from the disagree that you're NOT joking that you think there's been zero progress? That's not funny, that's just sad.
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Elon said the team was "going deep" and "perfecting roundabouts." I think that was 10.12 and 10.13 releases.
But I agree. Roundabouts aren't good for me either. This camera based system seems to struggle with perpendicular vehicle tracking so we'll see how much success is possible. It could be that system latency makes a clean, tight, human-like roundabout merge impossible.
You don't seem to grasp the meaning or purpose of beta software. That's OK. You don't have to use it whether you understand or not. Chose appropriately for yourself.
FSD is extremely difficult to solve. No need to tear down the real progress being made.
Regarding safety concerns: FSDb users are responsible. It's clearly stated by the system, and FSDb users must agree to the beta terms to test it. Yes, test it and provide feedback. Remember it's beta. This includes keeping hands on wheel, being attentive, and being ready to take over at all times.
Therefore, your driving with FSDb should be no less safe than when you're driving since you're supposed to intervene. That's kinda the point!
If you don't like that, you just shouldn't be using it. Don't worry though, it'll continue to improve without you. At some point it'll be out of beta and ready for you.
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
IMO, FSD Beta still needs a lot of work. FSD Beta can drive really badly. I definitely experience the jerky turns, poor acceleration, phantom braking, and bad maneuvers. But to say that there's been no improvement at all in 10 years is not fair or correct. There's definitely been a lot progress since AP1 and FSD Beta has improved since it was first released. if you recall when FSD Beta was first released, it was even worse. It would drive into static objects, drive into incoming traffic etc... A lot of those errors have been fixed. FSD Beta is more reliable now. And Tesla has implemented new architecture like occupancy networks that have helped the car avoid obstacles better. So there has been progress. But it does need a lot more improvement before it is even close to L4.
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