FSD Beta v11.x

impastu · Dec 9, 2022

Joboo7777 said:
So if I wanted to request access to beta version there would be a button that I would click to request it? If so where would I find the button in the settings?

on the autopilot tab of the car interface. Near the top. Request FSD Beta access

Joboo7777 · Dec 9, 2022

impastu said:
on the autopilot tab of the car interface. Near the top. Request FSD Beta access

Great thanks! Unfortunately immediately after I took delivery I drove it to the shop to get tints and stealth wrap. I literally drive it for 30 minutes and had to hand it over!!

After Reading portions of this thread is sounds like even if I wanted to opt in to beta program I would not be able to update because of the version I’m currently on. Is this correct?

impastu · Dec 10, 2022

Joboo7777 said:
Great thanks! Unfortunately immediately after I took delivery I drove it to the shop to get tints and stealth wrap. I literally drive it for 30 minutes and had to hand it over!!

After Reading portions of this thread is sounds like even if I wanted to opt in to beta program I would not be able to update because of the version I’m currently on. Is this correct?

what version are you on? You can stop by your shop and fiddle with the car. Ask for their wifi pw so you can install software updates via the iPhone app remotely. with the holiday release rumored to be coming, no one really knows who will be able to get it if they've already purchased or subscribed to FSD. Could be everybody gets it in two weeks. Or it could be "two weeks".

Joboo7777 · Dec 10, 2022

impastu said:
what version are you on? You can stop by your shop and fiddle with the car. Ask for their wifi pw so you can install software updates via the iPhone app remotely. with the holiday release rumored to be coming, no one really knows who will be able to get it if they've already purchased or subscribed to FSD. Could be everybody gets it in two weeks. Or it could be "two weeks".

Thanks for the reply. The shop is about 45 mins away so I’m afraid I’ll have to wait until end of week to pick it up. I figured I’ve waited this long to get a Tesla what’s another week? Lol plus it forces me to do my research, prepare my Wall charger, clean out the garage to make room for parking and spend some time on this awesome site!

Since my last post I think I now understand the beta and how the versioning works.

JulienW · Dec 11, 2022

Now VERY safe to say it is now WAY too late for V11 to be released in time for Christmas. Guess the BIG question now is will the holiday release be something like 36.x/10.69.4 or 44.x/10.420.x?

sleepydoc · Dec 11, 2022

JulienW said:
Now VERY safe to say it is now WAY too late for V11 to be released in time for Christmas. Guess the BIG question now is will the holiday release be something like 36.x/10.69.4 or 44.x/10.420.x?

Maybe we’ll get world of Warcraft and another attempt at ruining the interface!

Mardak · Dec 11, 2022

tivoboy said:
WHERE would one who is a 1+ year FSDb tester, who gets each update within about 24-48 hours, put their category?

Probably in the "Safety Score" group. Unless you still have the video snapshot button that is available to those in "Actually" early access program such as those who had FSD Beta since 2020.

Looks like Tesla just released 10.69.3.3 / 2022.40.4.10 to their employee perk group. Optimistically, this version is to address some non-11 behaviors such as merging FSD Beta to a more recent production branch and maybe even adding MCU1 support. After internal then employees then early access then usually safety score testers would Tesla then add new testers that have been waiting on production 2022.40.4.2 or MCU1 2022.8.10.8.

If so, then there's still hope for holiday update to include FSD Beta 11's single stack as this interim version of 10.69.3.3 reduces some risks of an alternative of doing everything as part of a single release.

hitparader · Dec 11, 2022

sleepydoc said:
Maybe we’ll get world of Warcraft and another attempt at ruining the interface!

Crossing fingers that making a passenger fart turns on the seat warmer!

CYBRTRK420 · Dec 12, 2022

Dewg said:
It's actually a huge difference - the amount of detail the car sees and displays is impressive compared to the standard AP stack.

I remember Elon talking about all cars getting the "mind-of-car view" at some point. I'd really love a switch to toggle on/off FSD Beta visualizations in the car settings knowing that it will still take some time until Europe gets any FSD functionality. Would be a nice gimmick for us AI / FSD fans

JulienW · Dec 12, 2022

Mardak said:
......If so, then there's still hope for holiday update to include FSD Beta 11's single stack as this interim version of 10.69.3.3 reduces some risks of an alternative of doing everything as part of a single release.

Time has just run out for the roll out of V11 before Christmas Eve. There is no evidence of V11 imminent influencer release and Christmas Eve is only 12 days away. Even under the best conditions it would take 2 to 3 weeks to rollout it to everyone and since V11 is such a BIG fundamental change update it will likely require more 11.x bug fixes/time than usual before going wide, probably 11.3 at best. Making it likely closer to 4 weeks to everyone from first influencer rollout.

Mardak · Dec 12, 2022

JulienW said:
Even under the best conditions it would take 2 to 3 weeks to rollout it to everyone and since V11 is such a BIG fundamental change update it will likely require more 11.x bug fixes/time than usual before going wide, probably 11.3 at best

Yes, previous big releases like 10.69 had to go through multiple versions before wide release to safety score testers. FSD Beta 11 is an even more fundamental change with single stack replacing existing Navigate on Autopilot behavior. However, that also makes it a pretty special milestone for Tesla, and they've even split up the employee rollout phase with some getting 10.69.3.3 instead of 11. It could just be that they wanted to be extra cautious about the rollout to minimize safety issues.

Or it could also be that they wanted a tighter feedback loop as well as stronger enforcement of non-disclosure agreements to maximize the special surprise aspect of the holiday update. For example, single stack and holiday update could come with general visualization improvements for all vehicles even those without FSD purchased, and Tesla wants to avoid spoiling things with leaks or early access.

As you point out, there isn't much time left, so we'll see if they'll make the deadline probably within 2 weeks.

Zane Liu · Dec 13, 2022

Mardak said:
Looks like holiday update is going out "early" relative to previous years closer to Christmas. 2022.44.25.1 Official Tesla Software Update | Teslascope

Maybe that allows more time for FSD Beta 11's single stack to be released later in December?

I'm guessing we'll get 69.3.3 with the holiday update. But maybe I'm wrong and V11 is further along

Mardak · Dec 13, 2022

Looks like holiday update is going out "early" relative to previous years closer to Christmas. 2022.44.25.1 Official Tesla Software Update | Teslascope

Code:

2022.44.25.1 First noticed: December 13, 2022
2021.44.25.2 First noticed: December 23, 2021
2020.48.25   First noticed: December 24, 2020

Maybe that allows more time for FSD Beta 11's single stack to be released later in December?

Tesla could be keeping their current FSD Beta software structure for now where users get production then FSD Beta software like last year's 2021.44.25.2 production vs 2021.44.25.6 / FSD Beta 10.8. So this year's holiday update "Part 2" could still include FSD Beta 11?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1602734744256421888

willow_hiller · Dec 13, 2022

Mardak said:
Tesla could be keeping their current FSD Beta software structure for now where users get production then FSD Beta software like last year's 2021.44.25.2 production vs 2021.44.25.6 / FSD Beta 10.8. So this year's holiday update "Part 2" could still include FSD Beta 11?

Another relatively cryptic tweet from Teslascope. Sounds like the FSD Beta build to be bundled with the holiday update is yet to be decided:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1602737965205028864

EDIT: Clarification from Teslascope that they are considering including V11 in the holiday firmware:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1602754173346324480

EVNow · Dec 13, 2022

https://twitter.com/x/status/1602758624261984256

Mardak · Dec 13, 2022

willow_hiller said:
Sounds like the FSD Beta build to be bundled with the holiday update is yet to be decided

Seems to match up with what we've observed with Tesla sending some employees 10.69.3.3 and others single stack FSD Beta 11. The former seems to be preparing for wide release integrated into regular production vehicle software while the latter adds new FSD functionality. Actually Smart Summon with Ultrasonic Sensors replaced by Vision as part of single stack makes sense too, but it does introduce some project risk in delaying all of 11.

Presumably Autopilot team is primarily focused on safe / smooth highway driving with FSD Beta 11's single stack, so the uncertainty of if it making it to Holiday Update Part 2 could suggest it still needing additional polishing.

willow_hiller · Dec 13, 2022

Mardak said:
Presumably Autopilot team is primarily focused on safe / smooth highway driving with FSD Beta 11's single stack, so the uncertainty of if it making it to Holiday Update Part 2 could suggest it still needing additional polishing.

The toggle that @EVNow discussed above might be a good compromise solution. Single-stack FSD Beta on highways for everyone who wants to try it, and then an easy switch to turn it off for those who prefer NoA.

Mardak · Dec 13, 2022

willow_hiller said:
Single-stack FSD Beta on highways for everyone who wants to try it, and then an easy switch to turn it off for those who prefer NoA

The tweet seems to be referring to the existing "( ◯) Full Self-Driving (Beta)" toggle on the Autopilot screen as it also suggests one could create a new driving profile with "( ◯) Navigate on Autopilot (Beta)" and "(◯ ) Full Self-Driving (Beta)" set as typically these toggles can't be switched while not in Park.

Yes, it would probably be helpful to have an additional control just for FSD Beta 11's highway driving similar to current NoA switching to plain Autosteer lane keeping.

EVNow · Dec 13, 2022

Useful details …

https://twitter.com/x/status/1602311284845944833

willow_hiller · Dec 14, 2022

The reason for V11's delay is pretty much exactly what we all assumed:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1602912983323054085

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