FSD Beta v11.x

Ramphex · Apr 5, 2023

Man FSDb is so good, I can’t get over how good it is.

It went full retard again today, I recreated the situation and recorded it going full retard. What did it do? Gave me a strike for recording it

Video: iCloud

Strike:

MFrunkerOG · Apr 5, 2023

Ramphex said:
Man FSDb is so good, I can’t get over how good it is.

It went full retard again today, I recreated the situation and recorded it going full retard. What did it do? Gave me a strike for recording it

Video: iCloud

Strike:
View attachment 925519

What did tropic thunder teach us! Never go full retard

AlanSubie4Life · Apr 5, 2023

Ramphex said:
Man FSDb is so good, I can’t get over how good it is.

It went full retard again today, I recreated the situation and recorded it going full retard. What did it do? Gave me a strike for recording it

Video: iCloud

Strike:
View attachment 925519

Oddly the events prior to the sudden slowdown and stop were not included in the video.

No idea how flashing and warnings are indicated on Model S.

In any case allowing the car to stop in the middle of the road from 43mph+ with 10 seconds of warning should result in a strike even with no prior nags. That is how accidents happen.

Seems like the system is working well. Any reason why you think it is the phone that was the cause? Because it did this before at the same location and you got no strike? Also good if it responds with quick strikes to phone recording as well I guess.

Ramphex · Apr 5, 2023

AlanSubie4Life said:
Oddly the events prior to the sudden slowdown and stop were not included in the video.

No idea how flashing and warnings are indicated on Model S.

In any case allowing the car to stop in the middle of the road from 43mph+ with 10 seconds of warning should result in a strike even with no prior nags. That is how accidents happen.

Seems like the system is working well. Any reason why you think it is the phone that was the cause? Because it did this before at the same location and you got no strike? Also good if it responds with quick strikes to phone recording as well I guess.

Man I don’t know what you guys do there in cali but your logic is always all sorts of weird.

The car stops there every single time I drive through there. For no reason. I once again recreated the stop, making sure there is no one behind me, and recorded it for evidence. Recording it gave me a strike. I can go out there and drive through the same spot 10 times without recording it, and it wont give me a strike. It’ll just stop.

But then without video proof the story kind of sucks and you’ll say “FSDb is great and working as it should”…. But then again, even with video proof you think it’s working as it should by drawing a stop line in the middle of the road and just stopping

Edit: there were no events to include prior, just driving. You want me to go out there and record pointless several minutes of just driving prior to it stopping?

AlanSubie4Life · Apr 5, 2023

Ramphex said:
Man I don’t know what you guys do there in cali but your logic is always all sorts of weird.

The car stops there every single time I drive through there. For no reason. I once again recreated the stop, making sure there is no one behind me, and recorded it for evidence. Recording it gave me a strike. I can go out there and drive through the same spot 10 times without recording it, and it wont give me a strike. It’ll just stop.

But then without video proof the story kind of sucks and you’ll say “FSDb is great and working as it should”…. But then again, even with video proof you think it’s working as it should by drawing a stop line in the middle of the road and just stopping

Edit: there were no events to include prior, just driving. You want me to go out there and record pointless several minutes of just driving prior to it stopping?

As I suspected, it seems like it was the phone. Since this is quite repeatable it seems like it should be possible to rig something up to be sure though.

Doesn’t really matter though. Seems like a legit strike no matter which way you slice it.

Ramphex · Apr 5, 2023

AlanSubie4Life said:
As I suspected, it seems like it was the phone. Since this is quite repeatable it seems like it should be possible to rig something up to be sure though.

Doesn’t really matter though. Seems like a legit strike no matter which way you slice it.

The problem isn’t the strike. It’s the full retard FSDb stopping in the middle of the road. The strike was for recording its *sugar* behavior. That was known and was not a mystery.

JHCCAZ · Apr 5, 2023

Ramphex said:
What’s the difference between prison and marriage?

With the former, you're a free man after 10 to 20 years. And they even give you back whatever money you came in with.

aviators99 · Apr 5, 2023

So I finally got my first FSDb version on Tuesday night (11.3.5) and have been experimenting over the past 2 days. It definitely tried to kill me a few times, but I take the admonition to be ready to take over very seriously. Having read stuff on here for years waiting my turn, it met my expectations. I have to say, if I hadn't been riding Waymo a lot over the past few months I would have been really impressed with it. Waymo seems years ahead. I can't imagine my mother or anyone who isn't nuts like us using this regularly. But that's what I'm here for. Definitely love beta testing and am looking for excuses to run errands.

AlanSubie4Life · Apr 5, 2023

Ramphex said:
The problem isn’t the strike. It’s the full retard FSDb stopping in the middle of the road. The strike was for recording its *sugar* behavior. That was known and was not a mystery.

Yeah probably a map problem. Maybe it doesn’t like the orange-ish memorial sign ahead and the Montessori school.

No big deal. Just charge ahead. It is working as designed; just have to keep that accelerator firmly pushed a lot of the time. Just watch for the wide corner swings when you do it.

Ramphex · Apr 5, 2023

AlanSubie4Life said:
Yeah probably a map problem. Maybe it doesn’t like the orange-ish memorial sign ahead and the Montessori school.

No big deal. Just charge ahead. It is working as designed; just have to keep that accelerator firmly pushed a lot of the time. Just watch for the wide corner swings when you do it.

Think if I cover up the sign for a test…. It won’t stop there? Lol

AlanSubie4Life · Apr 5, 2023

Ramphex said:
Think if I cover up the sign for a test…. It won’t stop there? Lol

No. The only driveway (on the map) for the school is at that intersection so I guess I would suspect something to do with that, or it doesn’t know what sort of intersection that is (school irrelevant). Doesn’t tell you why it is stopping - annoying.

valem · Apr 5, 2023

valem said:
Am I the only one that can’t do voice notes?
Hasn’t popped up once, and I’ve disengaged and taken over several times.

Is everyone able to send voice notes? Even legacy MS and MX?
I have not seen the option once, whether I just disengage or take over or press the brake.

Am I only one that doesn't get the option? I'm on 11.3.4

thewishmaster · Apr 5, 2023

Whatever work they put into deducing the lane network and drivable space with NNs is kind of a menace. 2 takeovers on one drive because:
* waiting at a 4 way stop, a pair of pedestrians cross on the other side of the street, blocking the way, then a 3rd pedestrian begins to cross. FSDb decides it's seen enough and the road will never be clear and it should turn left; blinker goes on and it attempts to go.
* going straight in the right lane, approaching an intersection; however the lane geometry is such that you have to angle to the left because straight ahead is a curb separating the bike lane and some streetside parking from the road. FSDb decided it'll take no chances and sets the blinker and the path planner to turn right at the intersection.
Nav route did not change in either situation, so it was purely some vision-based behavior.

Bonus notable 3rd takeover elsewhere - tried to run the red light after I engaged FSDb while approaching the intersection.

Twiglett · Apr 5, 2023

AlanSubie4Life said:
Yeah probably a map problem. Maybe it doesn’t like the orange-ish memorial sign ahead and the Montessori school.

No big deal. Just charge ahead. It is working as designed; just have to keep that accelerator firmly pushed a lot of the time. Just watch for the wide corner swings when you do it.

Err - am I missing something here.
FSDb coming to a full and complete stop in the middle of the road with no exterior indication of any need to stop is "working as designed"
Assuming for the moment that Tesla designed FSD to stop for no reason, its difficult to fathom why they would do so.
Therefore my interpretation is with @Ramphex in that it is definitely not supposed to do that.

WilliamG · Apr 5, 2023

aviators99 said:
So I finally got my first FSDb version on Tuesday night (11.3.5) and have been experimenting over the past 2 days. It definitely tried to kill me a few times, but I take the admonition to be ready to take over very seriously. Having read stuff on here for years waiting my turn, it met my expectations. I have to say, if I hadn't been riding Waymo a lot over the past few months I would have been really impressed with it. Waymo seems years ahead. I can't imagine my mother or anyone who isn't nuts like us using this regularly. But that's what I'm here for. Definitely love beta testing and am looking for excuses to run errands.

That would be fine if it didn't cost $15k...

Supcom · Apr 5, 2023

AlanSubie4Life said:
Maybe just have a little indication on the screen somewhere displaying the mode as you said…then the toggle can still be instantaneous (not responding on the first push also not ideal).

Fortunately changing profiles doesn’t have very rapid effects, but yes I often find myself wondering what mode I am in, and there is no way to know for sure.

Plenty of room in the status bar at the top of the screen for profile to be displayed.

Supcom · Apr 5, 2023

thewishmaster said:
Whatever work they put into deducing the lane network and drivable space with NNs is kind of a menace. 2 takeovers on one drive because:
* waiting at a 4 way stop, a pair of pedestrians cross on the other side of the street, blocking the way, then a 3rd pedestrian begins to cross. FSDb decides it's seen enough and the road will never be clear and it should turn left; blinker goes on and it attempts to go.
* going straight in the right lane, approaching an intersection; however the lane geometry is such that you have to angle to the left because straight ahead is a curb separating the bike lane and some streetside parking from the road. FSDb decided it'll take no chances and sets the blinker and the path planner to turn right at the intersection.
Nav route did not change in either situation, so it was purely some vision-based behavior.

Bonus notable 3rd takeover elsewhere - tried to run the red light after I engaged FSDb while approaching the intersection.

These don't sound very menacing except for trying to run the red light. An annoyance if FSDb diverts from the route, but so long as it does so safely, not a menace.

Running red lights is certainly a menace.

AlanSubie4Life · Apr 5, 2023

Twiglett said:
Therefore my interpretation is with @Ramphex in that it is definitely not supposed to do that.

Oh it is definitely not supposed to do that!

It’s clearly the wrong behavior. And it should say why it is stopping (would help solve a lot of mysteries!).

But it is working as designed.

Furthermore it is expected so slam that accelerator and go. What else do you have to do?

Slamming the accelerator in FSD Beta should be a well engrained first instinct.

Ramphex · Apr 5, 2023

Supcom said:
These don't sound very menacing except for trying to run the red light. An annoyance if FSDb diverts from the route, but so long as it does so safely, not a menace.

Running red lights is certainly a menace.

So is stopping in the middle of the road. Or maybe that’s just my opinion.

Ramphex · Apr 5, 2023

AlanSubie4Life said:
Oh it is definitely not supposed to do that!

It’s clearly the wrong behavior. And it should say why it is stopping (would help solve a lot of mysteries!).

But it is working as designed.

Furthermore it is expected so slam that accelerator and go.

Katy Perry give Alan his phone back

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