FSD Beta v11.x

valem · Jun 16, 2023

Ramphex said:
FSD is a dumpster fire, so it all seems fitting.

C’mon, give’em a break!
FSDb is an amazing technology that has been getting better and better, while this thread on the other hand is turning into a dumpster fire.

valem · Jun 16, 2023

here, I made it rhyme just for you…

Yeah, I won't subscribe, won't abide,
So saying 'Will some mod...' doesn't turn the tide.
Imagine a note, on dumpster's side,
'Put out this fire,' to responders cried."

To read the posts, a report is the key,
Mayhem unraveled, it's what I see.
40 pages deep, oh what a spree,
Snipping the chaos, it won't come free.

But alas, there's damage, collateral pain,
Commentary lost, caught in the drain.
Dumpster fire rages, snipped in disdain,
For expediency's sake, words in vain.

LowlyOilBurner · Jun 16, 2023

sleepydoc said:
Agreed - 4.2 seems to have taken a step backwards in this area

For sure. I get the idea is “not to crash”, but at the cost of what else? Potentially getting rear ended due to unnecessary slowdowns? That’s still a crash in my book.

GlmnAlyAirCar · Jun 16, 2023

Krash said:
Yeah, I won’t subscribe to this thread. So saying ”Will some moderator…” doesn’t do anything right away. Imagine if you left a post it note on a dumpster saying to first responders, “Please put out this fire.” Same idea.

Someone has to report a post in order for me to read posts here. Then I try to go back and snip all the mayhem. Since this is now nearly 40 pages of just mayhem, it’s going to be a while.

Unfortunately there is a LOT of collateral damage since most of the commentary on the dumpter fire is also getting snipped for expediency’s sake.

Yep I got snipped for that very reason.

jebinc · Jun 16, 2023

Fool me once….

JHCCAZ · Jun 16, 2023

valem said:
here, I made it rhyme just for you…

Yeah, I won't subscribe, won't abide,
So saying 'Will some mod...' doesn't turn the tide.
Imagine a note, on dumpster's side,
'Put out this fire,' to responders cried."

To read the posts, a report is the key,
Mayhem unraveled, it's what I see.
40 pages deep, oh what a spree,
Snipping the chaos, it won't come free.

But alas, there's damage, collateral pain,
Commentary lost, caught in the drain.
Dumpster fire rages, snipped in disdain,
For expediency's sake, words in vain.

Give me your angered, your sore,
Your befuddled masses yearning for FSD,
The wretched refuse of junk that came before.
Send these, the joyless, the unimpressed to me,
I light the fire beside the dumpster door!

EVNow · Jun 16, 2023

LowlyOilBurner said:
For sure. I get the idea is “not to crash”, but at the cost of what else? Potentially getting rear ended due to unnecessary slowdowns? That’s still a crash in my book.

That is apparently the strategy used by Cruise etc. just stop in the middle of the road and if someone hits the car it’s their fault…

thewishmaster · Jun 16, 2023

https://twitter.com/x/status/1669907195683643392

11.4.3 on Elon mode: nags disabled, gentler braking, not clear what else is different. Kind of interesting thread, though nothing unexpected

EVNow · Jun 16, 2023

thewishmaster said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1669907195683643392

11.4.3 on Elon mode: nags disabled, gentler braking, not clear what else is different. Kind of interesting thread, though nothing unexpected

Nags disabled ?

D Good · Jun 16, 2023

jebinc said:
11.4.3 is way more junky than 11.4.2

Impossible.

Mardak · Jun 16, 2023

EVNow said:
Nags disabled ?

Special "Elon mode" enabled with hacks. But various built-in safety features remain (and complained about by green) of AP jail when boosting over 85mph and closest follow setting is "only" 1 second. From the previous and current 11.4.3 experiences, it somewhat seems like the desired driving behavior is more like this car weaving through traffic squeezing into these 1-second gaps to brake hard just to follow even closer at the speed of traffic in hopes for another gap to try to arrive sooner.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1669907197445173248

LowlyOilBurner · Jun 17, 2023

EVNow said:
That is apparently the strategy used by Cruise etc. just stop in the middle of the road and if someone hits the car it’s their fault…

Kinda silly, isn’t it? It’s still an accident anyway you look at it. Guess it’s ok, since NY is a “no fault” insurance state, but regardless, my insurance still goes up if someone rear ended me.

Allx · Jun 17, 2023

FSD 11.4.2 observations. Just took another 500ish mi trip on FSD. A few notes below on the results .

Unrelated to FSD : new charger locations made for almost an hour savings on this road trip (can now leave when charging rate slows down rather than charging to ~80 soc). Awesome progress on chargers. No Bolts blocking magic dock locations

but pickups do the pickup thing ….

The good

“City streets” confident in suburbs/rural towns
Less phantom breaking
Quite smooth in roundabouts (suburb). Small nudge on entry and it does its thing smoothly
Range estimate is amazingly good (granted it’s summer but it’s much better than prior summers ). 4 stops on this trip and all within 2% or so of estimate despite hills, temp change , non-EPA speed.

Less so

Rain affects it a LOT more - slows down to 70mph and refuses cruise setting for 75
Refuses to engage FSD when it thinks fender camera is blocked (not sure how rain can block the camera - I wasn’t driving in mud or sleet ). Really annoying on road a long drive.
Routing insists on being very conservative , routing me backwards to a supercharger I had skipped , despite its own range estimate showing I’d make it to my chosen supercharger. Note: this means it’s also trying to exit the highway by itself (repeatedly) to get “back on track”.
Constant music interruption to tell me FSD is degraded because of rain or that cameras are “occluded”

All in all it seems like a mixed bag between regressions and improvements . I used to not have to think much about this drive but with “vision only” it feels less safe as it’ll disengage more easily when it thinks it can’t see well enough. Maybe the next release will drop before my return home

sleepydoc · Jun 17, 2023

LowlyOilBurner said:
Kinda silly, isn’t it? It’s still an accident anyway you look at it. Guess it’s ok, since NY is a “no fault” insurance state, but regardless, my insurance still goes up if someone rear ended me.

In hospitals blood banks are notoriously conservative - their overriding concern is to avoid a transfusion reaction so they won’t release a unit of blood unless everything is perfect because you can’t have a transfusion reaction if you don’t have a transfusion. The problem is if you never give any blood you never get the benefit, either, so at some point you have to minimize the risk but balance the risks and benefits.

FSD is similar - if it never drives anywhere it won’t have an accident. But then there’s no point in having FSD if you can’t use it to drive. If you can’t program it to deal with the risks of driving then you might as well quit.

kabin · Jun 17, 2023

Hopefully the FSD team can muster their best v11.4.4 release before the Jun 22 showdown. Financial investor Ross Gerber agreed to provide a test drive for Elon nemesis O'Dowd. Not sure about FSD but Gerber is positive about TSLA although has upset them at times. If I recall correctly he was recently blacklisted to at least one TSLA quarterly earnings event. I guess he's gonna show them.

I'm not fond of Gerber's worldy views but I gotta give him credit for stepping up where many FSD OGs have whimped out. It's time for O'Dowd to get his 15mins of FSD fame.

willow_hiller · Jun 17, 2023

kabin said:
Hopefully the FSD team can muster their best v11.4.4 release before the Jun 22 showdown. Ross Gerber agreed to provide a test drive for Elon nemesis O'Dowd. Not sure about FSD but Gerber is positive about TSLA although has upset them at times. If I recall correctly he was recently blacklisted to at least one TSLA quarterly earnings event. I guess he's gonna show them.

I'm not fond of Gerber's worldy views but I gotta give him credit for stepping up where many FSD OGs have whimped out.

They didn't wimp out. O'Dowd cancelled on them. See Chuck's, Omar's, and Dirty Tesla's responses:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1669886242786361344

https://twitter.com/x/status/1669884588863426563

https://twitter.com/x/status/1669874529802305537

kabin · Jun 17, 2023

willow_hiller said:
They didn't wimp out. O'Dowd cancelled on them. See Chuck's, Omar's, and Dirty Tesla's responses:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1669886242786361344

https://twitter.com/x/status/1669884588863426563

https://twitter.com/x/status/1669874529802305537

Good to know. Last I heard Chuck was unwilling to fly out to California, wanted to use his own car, but didn't want to spend the $ to ship it. I don't trust anything Omar does so I'll let that one ride. Good to hear re: DT too although he's now tweeting it's all a waste of time. OG willingness still sounds like a bag of poo.

Aside from the OGs, it still should be an interesting day. I imagine it won't be a live stream which would be a bummer.

willow_hiller · Jun 17, 2023

kabin said:
Good to know. Last I heard Chuck was unwilling to fly out to California, wanted to use his own car, but didn't want to spend the $ to ship it. I don't trust anything Omar does so I'll let that one ride. Good to hear re: DT too although he's now tweeting it's all a waste of time. OG willingness is still a bad of poo in my mind.

Aside from the OGs, it still should be an interesting day. I imagine it won't be a live stream which would be a bummer.

I honestly can't imagine deciding to trust everything O'Dowd says, but disbelieving everything Omar says.

Distrust both of them? Sure. But trusting one clearly biased party over the other reveals your own biases.

kabin · Jun 17, 2023

willow_hiller said:
I honestly can't imagine deciding to trust everything O'Dowd says, but disbelieving everything Omar says.

Distrust both of them? Sure. But trusting one clearly biased party over the other reveals your own biases.

A little hyperbole there sir? Down the team rah rah rabbit hole you go. All I said was Jun 22 should be interesting.

Dennisis · Jun 17, 2023

willow_hiller said:
They didn't wimp out. O'Dowd cancelled on them. See Chuck's, Omar's, and Dirty Tesla's responses:

Interesting that you were able to provide more context with just a little research.

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