FSD Beta v11.x

Autonomoose · Jun 16, 2023

For me, 11.4.x has been a big step forward in confidence and has resolved several of my many issues. Yesterday it took us door to door from home to my daughters school with no interventions - a first time for that. It even navigated some construction and newly paved, poorly marked lanes.

On the return trip it pulled out in front of traffic and then attempted an unprotective left into oncoming fast moving traffic. So I am fully aware that it still can, and will, sheet the bed frequently.

I can't say a lot about 11.4.3 as I've only had it for a couple of days, but this was impressive:

Sentry video: Rabbit!

The car slowed and swerved for this little guy. I caught a glimpse on the visualization of a small animal (sorry I don't have cabin recording set up). I had never seen that before and was impressed that it detected and reacted to such a small animal darting out in front.

Autonomoose · Jun 16, 2023

Autonomoose said:
Yesterday it took us door to door from home to my daughters school with no interventions - a first time for that. It even navigated some construction and newly paved, poorly marked lanes.

I should mention that home to school is about a 50-50 mix of city and highway. The car still doesn't really merge... at all. Just runs out the ramp to the end and swerves in at the last. I haven't had the cajones to play with this in heavy or fast traffic yet.

uscbucsfan · Jun 16, 2023

Autonomoose said:
For me, 11.4.x has been a big step forward in confidence and has resolved several of my many issues. Yesterday it took us door to door from home to my daughters school with no interventions - a first time for that. It even navigated some construction and newly paved, poorly marked lanes.

On the return trip it pulled out in front of traffic and then attempted an unprotective left into oncoming fast moving traffic. So I am fully aware that it still can, and will, sheet the bed frequently.

I can't say a lot about 11.4.3 as I've only had it for a couple of days, but this was impressive:

Sentry video: Rabbit!

The car slowed and swerved for this little guy. I caught a glimpse on the visualization of a small animal (sorry I don't have cabin recording set up). I had never seen that before and was impressed that it detected and reacted to such a small animal darting out in front.

V11 has been avoiding obstacles regularly, particularly small animals, but yesterday it tried to do this for a bag in the road and entered oncoming traffic with a car going 50 mph coming at me. My wife even chimed in saying that the car thought the bag was more important than our lives.

jebinc · Jun 16, 2023

uscbucsfan said:
Where to begin...

Twice when making a right turn and a car was at a stop sign waiting on me the car started the turn and then stopped turning, but kept moving forward like it was going to hit the car. I obviously took over, but one time the car honked at me.

4 times yesterday .3 miles before my exit the car tried to move to faster lane. I allowed it once as I knew I could take the next exit to see what it would do and it was starting to miss the exit and then slammed on brakes (like 70-40) and try to jerk over.

Multiple times with a bag in the road or piece of trash the car jerked into oncoming traffic. The display showed a cone.

11.4.2 was great for me. It had issues with turn lanes (dangerously tried to enter them at 55 mph) and had issues with left turns (would stop in the middle of the road). It's still doing that, but introduced this other stuff.

I reset the computer, but I've had it since Saturday and it hasn't gotten better.

FSDj doing itself…. Wonder what 12.4.4 will bring?

Porkalletta · Jun 16, 2023

jebinc said:
Lot’s of FSDj complaints from refreshed S/X members here.

It seems we are being left behind. Making more money on S3XY. If they come out with a more luxury Y with X options or more I would trade for it.

LowlyOilBurner · Jun 16, 2023

Anyone with a HW4 Model Y get 11.3.4 yet?

uscbucsfan · Jun 16, 2023

LowlyOilBurner said:
Anyone with a HW4 Model Y get 11.3.4 yet?

Doubtful. I believe they've been delivered with 2023.12.100.

WilliamG · Jun 16, 2023

AlanSubie4Life said:
Yes it does (only of late). If you use FSD a lot you’ll find it to be very annoying, because whenever you’re overriding the set speed (which is of course often unless you dial the scroll wheel all the time which is very fiddly and requires diverting attention from the road to figure out where you are at), it will beep at you (after a few seconds). Whenever the message came up before, now it also beeps.

Fortunately a thing of the past.

Maybe that's a Model 3/Y thing? It never, ever beeped in my refresh Model S, and I frequently override the speed with my pedal position.

kabin · Jun 16, 2023

I was stopped in a left turn lane and first in line with j11.4.3. A vehicle was stopped as well in the oncoming opposing left turn lane. Traffic is clear as the light turns green and FSDj just sits there. I wait a few and then try coaxing it along with an accel nudge. FSDj drives straight forward closer to the opposing vehicle and then continues to sit there. I disengaged and completed the turn. The opposing vehicle was not happy and gave FSDj a f-u honk.

kabin · Jun 16, 2023

I was driving in the right lane of a two lane 40mph road when a vehicle from a left side residential side street merged by entering the median. FSDj immediately slammed on the brakes even though it was two lanes over. This was my first j11.4.3 instance of a failed cross traffic kinematics/path estimation.

kabin · Jun 16, 2023

EVNow said:
Lot of wheel jitter on Waymo too. You can see it as soon as 1 minute into the video.

Yea ... no! Not even close. Small jitter from steering control for micro-lane positioning versus large wild psychotic steering fed by a noisy high frequency planner. Care and refinement makes a big difference.

willow_hiller · Jun 16, 2023

kabin said:
Small jitter from steering control for micro-lane positioning

"I swear officer, I'm not drunk, I was just micro-lane positioning."

Seriously, if you think that everything that Waymo does is good, purposeful, and necessary, but everything that FSD Beta does is bad, accidental, and wrong, you need to check your biases.

EVNow · Jun 16, 2023

kabin said:
Yea ... no! Not even close. Small jitter from steering control for micro-lane positioning versus large wild psychotic steering fed by a noisy high frequency planner. Care and refinement makes a big difference.

LOL. Waymo PR strikes again.

EVNow · Jun 16, 2023

Autonomoose said:
I should mention that home to school is about a 50-50 mix of city and highway. The car still doesn't really merge... at all. Just runs out the ramp to the end and swerves in at the last. I haven't had the cajones to play with this in heavy or fast traffic yet.

You can always use the turn signal to make automated lane changes. I do this if I think FSD is not in the right lane or not merging properly.

Scott Chapman · Jun 16, 2023

So I had a great trip using 11.4.3 yesterday. Lots of pretty challenging situations and in general it did REALLY well. But here were a couple of things I noticed:

I came to all-way stop. It stopped like it was supposed to. But there was actually a car parked right in front of the stop sign on one of the other roads. So my car basically said something to effect if "Waiting your turn". Not a problem I just tapped the accelerator to give it permission to go through. Easy-peasy.
What was actually pretty annoying was that it kept a long distance (> half a car length) from the car in front of me when it came to stop and go urban traffic. This caused problems because sometimes drivers thought I was giving them space to merge in front of me, or were annoyed that I didn't pull up far enough so cars behind me couldn't creep forward.

EVNow · Jun 16, 2023

aataskin said:
Does Tesla jump the stop sign at 1:10:11?

I rarely watch an hour long video

But at 1:10:11 it waited on the car from the left and then moved. So didn't jump the sign.

One thing I noticed near my house is that instead of stopping at stop line and then again at the creep wall - it stopped once at creep wall and then moved on. If that is a new change - it's excellent news.

AlanSubie4Life · Jun 16, 2023

WilliamG said:
It never, ever beeped in my refresh Model S, and I frequently override the speed with my pedal position.

Just keep at it - make sure the message comes up - if you don’t see the message, no double beep (like some other alerts). With the caveat that this is now gone in latest software 2023.7.15 so is probably untestable for you now.

Krash · Jun 16, 2023

Dewg said:
Can we get some moderation in here? The 12-year--old mentality over the last 5 pages is really getting hard to wade through.

Yeah, I won’t subscribe to this thread. So saying ”Will some moderator…” doesn’t do anything right away. Imagine if you left a post it note on a dumpster saying to first responders, “Please put out this fire.” Same idea.

Someone has to report a post in order for me to read posts here. Then I try to go back and snip all the mayhem. Since this is now nearly 40 pages of just mayhem, it’s going to be a while.

Unfortunately there is a LOT of collateral damage since most of the commentary on the dumpter fire is also getting snipped for expediency’s sake.

SSDTester#1 · Jun 16, 2023

Krash said:
Yeah, I won’t subscribe to this thread. So saying ”Will some moderator…” doesn’t do anything right away. Imagine if you left a post it note on a dumpster saying to first responders, “Please put out this fire.” Same idea.

Someone has to report a post in order for me to read posts here. Then I try to go back and snip all the mayhem. Since this is now nearly 40 pages of just mayhem, it’s going to be a while.

Unfortunately there is a LOT of collateral damage since most of the commentary on the dumpter fire is also getting snipped for expediency’s sake.

FSD is a dumpster fire, so it all seems fitting.

LowlyOilBurner · Jun 16, 2023

kabin said:
I was stopped in a left turn lane and first in line with j11.4.3. A vehicle was stopped as well in the oncoming opposing left turn lane. Traffic is clear as the light turns green and FSDj just sits there. I wait a few and then try coaxing it along with an accel nudge. FSDj drives straight forward closer to the opposing vehicle and then continues to sit there. I disengaged and completed the turn. The opposing vehicle was not happy and gave FSDj a f-u honk.

I had the same issue a couple of times on 11.4.3 this week.

The other issue is the overall hesitancy and apprehension for other vehicles that pose no “threat” to your vehicle.

I’ve had it slowing way down for a vehicle up the road in a middle turn lane while approaching said vehicle, but no need to at all. It’s displaying the “threat” vehicle in blue, but the vehicle is stationary.

Some lane selections are fixed, as is the downhill stop sign near my house that it’s never got right in almost two years of FSDb.

There are also now lane selections that are broken. Leaving my office, it now wants to get into the left turn lane and pull into the school that’s about 0.1miles down the street from my office.

The minimum lane change for route does not fix a few of these problem areas for me.

Another thing, regarding highway behaviors:
When it passes a slower vehicle, why not get back into the right lane after the pass is completed? I hate how it hangs in the left/passing lane until someone is on your ass to move over, half the time, it doesn’t move over fast enough anyways, and the car on your ass ends up passing you on the right. It’s aggravating.

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