_Redshift_
Member
I see you want to prolong the irrelevant.
What about all the conservative outlets who were dead set against Tesla until now? What do you have to say?
Please, don’t be freakin tribal. Pollutes your sense of reasoning.
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FSD fails to detect children in the road
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What about all the conservative outlets who were dead set against Tesla until now? What do you have to say?
Please, don’t be freakin tribal. Pollutes your sense of reasoning.
_Redshift_
Member
Wow, the similarities are uncanny. Though the 2016 incident was white against white. This is dark against dark, from the photo.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
It just proves that what Tesla says is true. Tesla says that FSD Beta will hit children. There’s nothing else I can think of that would be worse, which is exactly what Tesla says will happen.
It just doesn’t seem that complicated. It’s a limited capability system that will hit stationary (and moving!) objects in many situations; you just have to find those situations.
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diamond.g
Active Member
_Redshift_
Member
Sure, sure. Thats why their viewership beats all the others hands down.
I am done with you and your tribal denial. (Typical)
Carry on, sir.
Tam
Well-Known Member
That's the whole point: Tesla collision issue is not solved no matter which technology Tesla got it from: MobilEye, non-MobilEye, radar, radarless, immatured technology in 2016, or 6 years after that...
MobilEye broke off with Tesla in 2016 because it wants no part in "...pushing the envelope in terms of safety."
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Whole Mars Catalog
@WholeMarsBlog
In my initial testing it’s been difficult to get the child sized dummy to read as a child. I guess it needs to be more fully dressed
saw many kids in the wild today and system detected them just fine however
haven’t tried driving into it yet, just visualization first
JFC this is sickening to read. Every sentence is just so wrong both from the flawed perception of the Tesla, to the warped testing methodology of WMC
Tam
Well-Known Member
True for AEB alone. However, I suspect that most tests have combined AEB and Autopilot or EAP/FSD/FSD beta.
Usually, we want Autopilot or EAP/FSD/FSD beta to brake to a stop. If that fails, we want AEB to kick in as a last-ditch effort even though the Owner's Manual says it only slows down and not to a complete stop.
Tam
Well-Known Member
That's the misconception when LIDAR is mentioned, and lots of people think radar is dropped when it's an addition, not a deletion (deletion does happen in Tesla, though).
Same with SuperVision. We assume that it's a deletion of radar when it is not as of last month:
Mobileye and Zeekr OTA Update Opens a New Chapter in Advanced Driver Assist | Mobileye Blog
Unparalleled safety and comfort features delivered over-the-air, at the push of a button, to tens of thousands of Zeekr 001 electric vehicles.
"Combined with the ability to operate at up to 130 kph (81 mph) on any road with clear lane markings – while also taking road curvature into account, and offering the latest in camera-radar fusion capabilities – this update has provided Zeekr 001 owners, overnight, with one of the most advanced highway-assist feature-sets available on the market today... and it's only the beginning."
Daniel in SD
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I was only commenting on MobilEye releasing what is basically a prototype self-driving car (the driver is only there to ensure safety). Nothing to do with sensor suite.That's the misconception when LIDAR is mentioned, and lots of people think radar is dropped when it's an addition, not a deletion (deletion does happen in Tesla, though).
Same with SuperVision. We assume that it's a deletion of radar when it is not as of last month:
Mobileye and Zeekr OTA Update Opens a New Chapter in Advanced Driver Assist | Mobileye Blog
Unparalleled safety and comfort features delivered over-the-air, at the push of a button, to tens of thousands of Zeekr 001 electric vehicles.www.mobileye.com
"Combined with the ability to operate at up to 130 kph (81 mph) on any road with clear lane markings – while also taking road curvature into account, and offering the latest in camera-radar fusion capabilities – this update has provided Zeekr 001 owners, overnight, with one of the most advanced highway-assist feature-sets available on the market today... and it's only the beginning."
You'll love the followup:
Whole Mars Catalog
@WholeMarsBlog
well it did register it as a person actually but the car was going too fast to stop fully
Yet, we still wait for 10.13 or I mean 10.69
Whos sole purpose is to pass a test with a known question.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Not sure what there is to be confirmed. The system will both see and not see child-sized dummies. Just like with actual children! The probabilities change based on a host of poorly understood variables, and no one can predict exactly what will maximize or minimize likelihood of detection. You just have to try out educated guesses until you get what you want!
That’s what is so great about that turn, as you have mentioned. Focusing on accomplishing one task can be very clarifying! It’ll be interesting if they CAN’T do it in the end (I expect they will be able to, though possibly not up to my specified standards at first), but it’s not surprising at all that it was nowhere close to being able to do it initially. It takes time to make the system pass the specified test. I mean, everyone knows how limited FSD Beta is. It’s nearly passable (not to be confused with passable) as a lane-line-following and car-following assist on City Streets, but that is about it.
_Redshift_
Member
It recognized the person but deemed that person unworthy of being alive. The dreaded Terminator subroutine has kicked in. Only a matter of time before…
They can conduct their FSD tests with their own car all they want on private roads with non-living objects. I'm fine with that. Leave the public space (streets) and living beings out of it. I fully expect test results to be cherry-picked and possibly falsified on both sides at this point, any conclusions from random testers are anecdotal at best.
I'll believe a test by the NTSB, NHTSA or IIHS & equivalent from overseas. All the media and blogger testing is too haphazard, except as entertainment.
I mean, to be fair, The Jerry Springer show was once the highest rated as well....
Problem is...when your CEO is CONSTANTLY bragging about all of the magical things that FSD can and will do, to include the car literally driving itself from California to NYC four years ago, to include the autonomous driving tech being safer than humans...etc
then one can kinda understand when its revealed that the same car has no capability to stop itself from running over and killing a child (or two) as it magically drives itself from NYC to California(with no human input), the public would be a bit....upset.
Perhaps if the CEO simply would sometimes....shut the EFF UP. Tesla wouldn't find itself on the defense so much
then one can kinda understand when its revealed that the same car has no capability to stop itself from running over and killing a child (or two) as it magically drives itself from NYC to California(with no human input), the public would be a bit....upset.
Perhaps if the CEO simply would sometimes....shut the EFF UP. Tesla wouldn't find itself on the defense so much
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