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Then what is the "Getting $3k" referring to?
There has been a method to recover at least some value from the FSD purchase? I may be in the minority here, but the level of competence of the current FSD Beta stack is absolutely in line with what I thought I was paying for. Autosteer on city streets was how it was marketed to me, and it clearly works about as well as Smart Summon, NOA, or any of the other features. A scope complete L2 system, which is what I want.
What I don't want is for the conditions of my purchase to change. I no longer believe the company will deliver this feature set, which they currently have and I have paid for several times, under the terms of my original purchase. It is clear that they have devised and have implemented additional conditions for the use of this software that are outside the scope of our original agreement. From my point of view, I don't see how putting the beta moniker on the software removes their obligation to ship the software. There is plenty of precedent throughout the history of Tesla of one paying for Beta features, and having them activated immediately, regardless of their level of polish.
So is there in fact a known method to seek partial compensation for this portion of the package? I do not wish to change the conditions of my use of the software as were presented to me when I purchased this option.
Yes, and I am on car #3.You paid several times? Did you buy several cars with the "FSD" package?
Why do you think you won't get the Level 2 City Streets package?
No, it has not.The company currently has deployed autosteer on city streets which operates as well as previous features they have sold me under the umbrella of the FSD package
It is clearly more competent than Smart Summon or Stop Light control, which I have been sold, and as far as I know, revenue has been recognized for. This argument would make sense to me if it were less competent than those features, which it is clearly not.No, it has not.
What Tesla has done is selected a subset of "hand raisers" to test the city fsd.
The error rate is a lot higher than "stop light control" for sure.It is clearly more competent than Smart Summon or Stop Light control, which I have been sold, and as far as I know, revenue has been recognized for. This argument would make sense to me if it were less competent than those features, which it is clearly not.
Let's look at your question: "So is there in fact a known method to seek partial compensation for this portion of the package? I do not wish to change the conditions of my use of the software as were presented to me when I purchased this option."Then what is the "Getting $3k" referring to?
The error rate is a lot higher than "stop light control" for sure.
Besides, Tesla clearly states it as "limited early access". So, you don't need to read between the lines or get convinced of any arguments. If you trace back this whole "fsd button" etc - you will see it started with Musk saying they want to expand the Beta tester group by first 2x and then 10x. The button came as a way to expand because a lot of people wanted to be in and Tesla didn't want to deal with a lot of phone calls / emails on this.
Oh, FFS. Not gonna bother with yet another armchair barrister.I think you may be misunderstanding my core point. To be able to meet what they originally sold me, I would have to be provided with a L2 city streets system which lacks camera based DMS, and does not track your manual driving habits. These were not stated conditions when I purchased the software, and I do not see language in my MVPA that allows them to require this.
Do you have the text of what was stated when you bought it (whatever the it is here - AP / EAP / FSD).To be able to meet what they originally sold me, I would have to be provided with a L2 city streets system which lacks camera based DMS, and does not track your manual driving habits.
Am I crazy to want to know what I agreed to? Why would you be mean about it? Is there only one correct sanctioned way to feel about how this product is being delivered? That level of mean-ness feels inappropriateOh, FFS. Not gonna bother with yet another armchair barrister.
You should go to Small Claims Court, get a refund for as much as your state limits SCC dollar amounts to, and then, please, just STFU.
I have been trying to determine that. I was hoping that someone else had been down the rabbit hole and would know where to look. I suppose way back machine and looking at the web page? Just looking through my purchase docs, I'm kind of stumped finding anything more detailed than "Full Self Driving Capability".Do you have the text of what was stated when you bought it (whatever the it is here - AP / EAP / FSD).
BTW, yes, I agree with your point. But the fsd beta - doesn't say anything about what you might eventually get or not get. Just an early access test system.
I guess wayback machine - if it has a snapshot that covers your purchase time - would be helpful. There are also many fsd terms images you can find here at TMC and also through general web search.I have been trying to determine that. I was hoping that someone else had been down the rabbit hole and would know where to look. I suppose way back machine and looking at the web page? Just looking through my purchase docs, I'm kind of stumped finding anything more detailed than "Full Self Driving Capability".
Thanks for taking the time to understand.
You agreed to pay for future development towards "full self driving." With caveats regarding software validation and regulatory approval.Am I crazy to want to know what I agreed to? Why would you be mean about it? Is there only one correct sanctioned way to feel about how this product is being delivered? That level of mean-ness feels inappropriate
Correct. If for example, they need to add a camera to my car to allow cabin monitoring for this package to be delivered, I will not agree to it. And that's okay. I'm not mad about that fact and I totally understand why the company feels they need to do this, it's just not something I'm comfortable with, that's all. I don't have a strong opinion that it is wrong for them to take these action in general, only insofar as it affects my relationship with the company. I understood, based on the language in MVPA, that it was my responsibility to do things like upgrade the MCU if the car was out of warranty to be able to receive updates, and I have done so. That's super clear cut, and I have zero problem with that.You agreed to pay for future development towards "full self driving." With caveats regarding software validation and regulatory approval.
I suppose if they want to upgrade your hardware, you will be consistent and refuse that improvement since you didn't agree to it on purchase.
Build upon Enhanced Autopilot and order Full Self-Driving Capability on your Tesla. This doubles the number of active cameras from four to eight, enabling full self-driving in almost all circumstances, at what we believe will be a probability of safety at least twice as good as the average human driver. The system is designed to be able to conduct short and long distance trips with no action required by the person in the driver’s seat. For Superchargers that have automatic charge connection enabled, you will not even need to plug in your vehicle.
All you will need to do is get in and tell your car where to go. If you don’t say anything, the car will look at your calendar and take you there as the assumed destination or just home if nothing is on the calendar. Your Tesla will figure out the optimal route, navigate urban streets (even without lane markings), manage complex intersections with traffic lights, stop signs and roundabouts, and handle densely packed freeways with cars moving at high speed. When you arrive at your destination, simply step out at the entrance and your car will enter park seek mode, automatically search for a spot and park itself. A tap on your phone summons it back to you.
While on this page no timeline is given, Tesla claims that the feature exists and it will be delivered when it is 1) validated and 2) passed regulatory approval. Separately they stated on the order form for many years that "Navigate of City Streets" feature would be shipped "by the end of the year". Today the language has been changed to "Later"Please note that Self-Driving functionality is dependent upon extensive software validation and regulatory approval, which may vary widely by jurisdiction. It is not possible to know exactly when each element of the functionality described above will be available, as this is highly dependent on local regulatory approval.
Implying that car could be used as a robotaxi as early as in 2018. Later in 2019 at autonomy day, Tesla estimated that the robotaxis would be in production in 2020.Please note also that using a self-driving Tesla for car sharing and ride hailing for friends and family is fine, but doing so for revenue purposes will only be permissible on the Tesla Network, details of which will be released next year [2018].
All Tesla vehicles produced in our factory, including Model 3, have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver.
I therefore do not believe that Tesla plans to honor the original deliverable, which my understanding was an L2 driver assistance feature which worked on city streets, and required hands on the wheel attention monitoring.
Yep. They were very clearly promising what would amount to L5, or at least L4, long before now. Then they realized they could not deliver, and instead of admitting that, they just quietly changed what they were promising and hoped nobody would notice.
Question: Does the current FSD beta do navigate on city streets? Or do you have to tell it to turn when desired?
My impression was that they were merely still in the development & validation phase. But I don't expect them to have reliable City Streets autosteer any time soon.
Depends on given values of reliable.