At least I'm interested in these rare maneuvers because it shows the neural network has the capacity to consider many and/or subtle things to then control appropriately. The hope is that it's then able to use that capacity to handle "easier" stuff that is much more common such as stopping, and more training should continue to improve all aspects including basic and amazing behaviors.
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FSD v12.x (end to end AI)
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- #fixphantombraking autopilot chill is not chill elon is an ass fix fsd extreme late deceleration fsd does not commit to go fsd does not maintain proper speed fsd hard and late braking fsd jerky driving fsd late deceleration fsd stops too early too quickly fsd stops too far behind line fsd tailgating in city streets
My wife has refused to ever activate the FSD in her M3.
I can't blame her.
I can't blame her.
powertoold
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We might fall into the same AI hype trap that's going on right now.
We have these AI chatbots that output amazing things but also constantly fail at obvious simple concepts.
The major problem with the current NN AI approach is that the NN doesn't really understand the underlying principles.
Our only hope is better compute and more parameters, but HW3 seems dead on that front.
Yeah, it seemed pretty clear that these "medians" caused some confusion about the expected direction of traffic flow. This was something Tesla heavily trained networks to predict back in 2020 but seems to have potentially been thrown out and relearned from scratch for end-to-end. Hopefully dedicated training on parking lots in preparation for smart summon will help the new 12.x neural networks understand these lane/median structures without requiring explicit training data labeling flows, and more importantly avoiding regressions on city streets when particular parking lot behaviors would be inappropriate.
j0shm1lls
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Find a long straight road at least 3 lanes wide, drive in the center lane at a steady speed (freeways should work too). Should be able to hit 100% within 10 miles.
To be clear, he said "V12 is going to be," so you don't think some later 12.x will eventually get there? If 12.3 was able to smooth out speed control to be consistent on empty roads and following traffic, would that change your expectations? How about if those weren't fixed until 12.4?
From what I can tell from 12.x videos, there are examples of consistent speed control, so the neural networks are able to control that way, but maybe the focusing on problematic 11.x situations has resulted in 12.x getting confused about the easy stuff.
Funny you say that because I've seen a lot of videos with parking lots included. Far more videos relative to the small number of testers and for the most part V12 parking lot driving is significantly better than V11 based on what I've watched and driver feedback. And yes I know all about the drama related to the parking lot accident.
You'll just have to ask your wife to sit in the back where passengers don't seem to pay as much attention. (Disclaimer here- I cannot use FSD on city/streets with my wife in the car).
zoomer0056
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Absolutely. I tell my wife that even if FSD occasionally does startling or annoying things, it is still a better driver than I am. I'm sure that's the truth and I think she, reluctantly, agrees.Yes, but I feel a lot less safe without FSD. That's what I tell my wife, but she probably doesn't believe me
Like right now, my cameras are stuck at 95% FSD calibration, and I get a lot more anxiety and sensory overload driving without FSD.
My son sits there when he drives with us and he dislikes FSD even more than my wife. They both tolerate it, though.You'll just have to ask your wife to sit in the back where passengers don't seem to pay as much attention. (Disclaimer here- I cannot use FSD on city/streets with my wife in the car).
AlanSubie4Life
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V12 not yielding to a car when taking a left at a stop sign. I thought it interesting because it also involves a bus temporarily blocking V12's view of that car.
AlanSubie4Life
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I can totally understand people posting for the engagement because this was not something v11 could really do. And that is fine.
But it just is not somewhere you’d ever want to use FSD, since parking lots are one of the most dangerous places for vehicle damage (they are perhaps the most complex environment), and FSD is certainly not going to help in that regard. Useful (potentially - I have no idea) for the reasons mentioned earlier.
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zoomer0056
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Saw the software update and thought V12 was incoming, but looks like it’s just 11.4.9 still
Yes, it's still 11.4.9. But it means that the next version of V12, whenever it comes out, will not be based on 2023.44.
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