Iām really looking forward to driving a BYD Atto 3. Itās getting great reviews in the motoring press. Of course the true believers will disparage it simply because it isnāt a Tesla.Oh, I would never sink that low
I bought an M3 because back in June 2019 there wasnāt much competition. Things are very different now and there are some fantastic cars out there with plenty more on the way. Iām looking forward to BYD establishing themselves in this country.
The huge profits bother me because Iād rather the money was in my bank account, not theirs.
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Have you lost faith in Tesla?
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Drew57
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Tesla isn't the best product but for now - for me it's the best package.
dachshund
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I'm betting on Tesla as long as the charging options for non-Teslas are so sketchy. I feel Tesla should be rewarded for building a supercharger network along with building the cars. I'll get an Audi or BMW next time if the charging situation improves. Or maybe by then Tesla will have fulfilled all of their "coming soon" promises. (don't laugh)
No. I have an uneasiness that the value (and I donāt just mean financial) of a Tesla is not as fixed at point of purchase as it is with a conventional vehicle but I am on board with where theyāre going, optimistic about what they might achieve and prepared to take the gamble.
Lost faith? Tesla people sound more and more like a religion/cult by the day.
I have two, probably won't buy another again and am even less likely to buy again if the supercharger network is completely opened up. Mercedes and Audi are still someway off but by 2025 I could see them having a car better than M3. Lucid coming to the UK would make me consider them too.
I have two, probably won't buy another again and am even less likely to buy again if the supercharger network is completely opened up. Mercedes and Audi are still someway off but by 2025 I could see them having a car better than M3. Lucid coming to the UK would make me consider them too.
Back in early 2020 there wasnāt much if anything to rival Tesla for range. Thatās why I bought mine.
2023 will be a different story, shortages permitting.
Tesla will have to make good on itās āpromisesā for me to keep mine.
There is so much that could be implemented or improved with software changes.
At my age, My choice is simple; keep it until the car or I die or lose patience and replace with another brand.
2023 will be a different story, shortages permitting.
Tesla will have to make good on itās āpromisesā for me to keep mine.
There is so much that could be implemented or improved with software changes.
At my age, My choice is simple; keep it until the car or I die or lose patience and replace with another brand.
BYD sells three times the number of vehicles that Tesla sells. VW group is forecast to sell more EVs than Tesla in 2024.
Tesla appears to be squandering its first to market advantage on niche products like the Semi and the pickup. If they truly wanted to clean up, they would produce an affordable EV for the masses that has a range of 150 miles or so, no ridiculous "self driving" rubbish, and the superb packaging that seems to elude most other EV manfacturers.
Thatās a misleading stat.
BYD sells half the number of EVs at Tesla and the rest are hybrids. Thatās basically the same as saying GM shipped more total vehicles than Tesla, itās irrelevant. VW also have zero chance of selling more than Tesla in 2024, where did you find that one?
The Semi is early days but has literally no competition for the range it has. Tesla have also stated they believe the minimum viable range is >250 miles and theyāre not going to ship a vehicle with poor range, nor should they, thatās a compromise. Selling cheap crap products that donāt convert people from their ICE vehicles or ends up turning them off from EVs because of the limitation of a small battery isnāt a strategy, itās a crutch
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Please could you point me in the direction of this public statement so I may sue for the range of my M3P?
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ElectricIAC
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ACarneiro
Active Member
I doubt āzeroā chance, but I take your point.
But remember VW have been making cars for a very long time. Granted, theyāve been caught with their pants down with the transition to electric power trains but I donāt think theyāll be lagging for a very long period of time.
Zilla91
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VW Group. So factor in their myriad sub brands. Which will range from city runabouts, sports cars, luxo barges, probably an MPV, as well as niche products like the California redesign. And Tesla have 4 products that can be used outside the US.
As I say, BYD and its ilk will spend billions trying to capture the low end, volume category, and have shown that they can do it in Teslas largest market. VW group aiming for mid / mid-upper, and predicted to achieve it by end 2024. Upper and luxury is anyone's guess - as price is not really a factor, but image and quality are. Which rules out Tesla on both counts.
Jason71
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Apple have done pretty well despite avoiding the cheap end of the market. Volume is important due to ecconomy of scale but you don't have to cover all areas of the market to be successful. So long as battery supply is an issue i don't see Tesla rushing into lower margin vehicles. Not saying it won't happen just that it may not be the no 1 priority.
You must not have been in a recent VW. Their prices are high but their interiors are proper fisher price. Iād take a tesla interior over a VW one any day of the week.
That said, yes, the brand will sell more EVs than Tesla eventually, they have a far larger manufacturing base and 100 years of brand loyalty/recognition. Youād have to be mad to think otherwise once you add up Audi, VW, Skoda, Seat, Cupra, Porsche etc. but that doesnāt mean there isnāt a place in the market for Tesla.
Lost faith? It's not a religion.
It's a car and mine does what it says on the tin - like many other cars.
It's a car and mine does what it says on the tin - like many other cars.
Nah, itās definitely zero.
My confidence here comes from working for an organisation that supplies multiple car brands, including both VW and Tesla, as well as other legacy and EV start-ups.
VWs internal software division has collapsed under the weight of Diessā strategy of hiring all the engineers to throw at the problem, trouble is that doesnāt fix anything, it often makes it worse.
Blume, the new CEO, seems to have taken further decisions that will slow them down and theyāve already announced that flagship models originally due as early as next year, are getting delayed to 2027. The Wolfsburg plant redevelopment is also running behind schedule and wonāt be ramped even for the iD3 for another 2 year and thatās before their even get to their Trinity project which was supposed, by their own admission, to be the platform that enabled them to start to catch Tesla both in production and software, but that was already delayed to 2028 and now 2030 is being talked about as a realistic date.
VW could have all the factories in the world, but they still couldnāt flip them to EV fast enough because they donāt have the capability to keep up with the software side to support the launch of more vehicles and that is crippling them.
Itās honestly like itās 2007 and weāre watching Nokia try to counter the iPhone all over again, that time with the grossly inadequate Symbian platform vs. iOS, which like VWās platform today, was somewhat unique to each device and as a result slowed their overall pace of development dramatically because they failed to simplify their lineup. History is repeating. VW are working on Cariad E3 2.0 but theyāre saying itās going to take 5 years to build this new OS, which is insane in software years. theyāre only developing 10% of the software in-house today and targeting 60% by 2025. E3 2.0 will be outdated before it launches.
All of this is laid bare on their own website in the form of press releases and updates on progress. So I remain absolutely confident they have zero chance of shipping more EVs than Tesla
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Rooster6655
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Timeframe is also important for the question, whether it's the past few months or since purchasing a car.
I haven't lost any faith recently in Tesla but I have adjusted my expectations over the years as to what to expect from them.
I haven't lost any faith recently in Tesla but I have adjusted my expectations over the years as to what to expect from them.
I think what the OP meant is in the context of āconfidenceā rather than religion.
