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HW4 leak: 1 fewer camera
- Thread starter thewishmaster
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There will be NO HW4 upgrade for HW3 owners
Apparently there will be no free upgrade Elon Musk kills hope of Tesla retrofitting new Autopilot/Self-Driving hardware Which seems very unfair given I paid 10k and other folks here paid even more. Honestly that makes me want to pursue some sort of recourse.
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Now, whether you can pay for a retrofit - not yet clear
DanCar
Active Member
powertoold
Active Member
That's true, but even when you resize 4K video to FHD (for example), there is still more detail in the resized FHD video vs a native FHD video. Not sure if you do any videography, but this is generally the case.
Probably end of March IRA demand related. I thought HW4 was rolling out with cybertruck production.
Hopefully Model Y used car prices begin to climb again.
Mark II
Member
The placement of the side front camera is key to resolving issues that Tesla will never resolve with their current camera setup. As I noted here:
FSD Production release with current camera hardware?
I find it hard to believe FSD will ever be production ready with current camera hardware. While I do believe it is possible to achieve FSD with vision only, I just don't think the current cameras will cut it. Here my main reasons: - Camera blinded by sun (often): Just today I was heading towards...
teslamotorsclub.com
In short, the Tesla the side cameras on the b-pillars are too far back, requiring it to creep 2 feet further into a road vs human, and the only front facing cameras are centered, preventing the car seeing down a road when there is an obstruction in the center median, requiring the car to creep 2 feet further left into oncoming traffic, versus a human.
The placement of the side front camera is key to resolving issues that Tesla will never resolve with their current camera setup. As I noted here:
FSD Production release with current camera hardware?
I find it hard to believe FSD will ever be production ready with current camera hardware. While I do believe it is possible to achieve FSD with vision only, I just don't think the current cameras will cut it. Here my main reasons: - Camera blinded by sun (often): Just today I was heading towards...
In short, the Tesla the side cameras on the b-pillars are too far back, requiring it to creep 2 feet further into a road vs human, and the only front facing cameras are centered, preventing the car seeing down a road when there is an obstruction in the center median, requiring the car to creep 2 feet further left into oncoming traffic, versus a human.
This has been pointed out ad nauseam. It may turn out to be a fatal flaw in their approach, we'll see. I think the real litmus test will be HW4 - if they don't change camera placement with this new hardware suite, then they are committing themselves to making the current camera placement work for years to come (on millions of cars).
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
Possibly relevant
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Tesla approved to sell Model S and Model X in Europe with Hardware 4 (HW4/AP4)
We were expecting Tesla to announce a new high-resolution radar unit for the Model S and Model X last month, but Tesla later requested the information stay confidential until March. The new radar unit is […]
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BrendonHolt
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I believe strongly Mobileye and Auto Manufactures will be the future as they are not limited. I love the competition, but the players, like Volkswagan Group (VW,Audi, Porsche) and GM as well as Japan and South Korean manufactures will come up with solutions via ICE and Electric that will break the price barrier of sub 30K for hands free driving. It will happen, and happen quickly, sub 5 year period.
Tesla will evolve and compete also, but make no doubt about it, the FSD will happen, and it will happen on more then one HW/Software platform.
Love this post by the way.
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BrendonHolt
Member
To the point of this discussion. I believe HW4 will not deliver, and even these car owners may find themselves in the same boat as prior HW Versions. I believe that the reality is, FSD will exist but not on any of the current solutions from Tesla.
Only time will tell. Just be happy with what the car can do, it is a good car, but if you bought it so it would drive itself, be prepared to be disappointed in my humble opinion.
Only time will tell. Just be happy with what the car can do, it is a good car, but if you bought it so it would drive itself, be prepared to be disappointed in my humble opinion.
DanCar
Active Member
In the fcc docs you will see EUT. EUT = equipment under test.
Camera's on front fenders for Model X confirmed by FCC.
Quote:
A camera is mounted to each front fender.
Radar confirmed by FCC.
30 MHz - 1 GHz.
Pics of the new boards:
Camera's on front fenders for Model X confirmed by FCC.
Quote:
A camera is mounted to each front fender.
Radar confirmed by FCC.
30 MHz - 1 GHz.
Pics of the new boards:
Mike1080i
Member
I'm guessing that's just part of the RF testing, as the other photos show testing both above and below it's intended frequency range.
"The EUT is a non-pulsed Automotive Radar which operates in the 76-77 GHz spectrum and supports 3 sensing modes"
Note that the manual was submitted last June. It was likely tested with the current-gen Plaid X and normal HW3 sensors.
DanCar
Active Member
I do love that the leading edge on the front of the side repeater light isn't actually flush on that particular example.
Someone on Twitter suggested this might be something like HW3.5 with new cameras but old layout - but it doesn't really make sense to spend all the time and energy engineering a half-step solution. Guess we'll know next week (hopefully).
Bit of a small thread bump, there seems to be a lot of HW4 inventoty now about which suggests deliveries will also be happening. Has anbody confirmed what the actual differences are on a typical MS or MX? I've seen speculation that the extra camera inputs on the circuit board might be for the Cybertruck etc and nopt populated on the MSX, where as others are convinced there are cameras in the front headlight units.
Do we know yet for sure?
(apologies if I've just missed it)
Do we know yet for sure?
(apologies if I've just missed it)
Based on some photos of confirmed HW4 cars, there are no extra cameras at this time, only rumors that they will get added in some months. The key difference is the camera modules themselves are different, as well as repeater cameras being tilted differently compared to the older units.
