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We did. We just let you think you did.I just remembered why we went to war against the British.
Remind me, who won that one?
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We did. We just let you think you did.I just remembered why we went to war against the British.
Remind me, who won that one?
You went to war over indicator stalks?I just remembered why we went to war against the British.
Remind me, who won that one?
They did on the old MS but the M3/MY has cheap and nasty stalks that I believe are built in house.I believe that up to now, Tesla has been buying those stalks from Mercedes. Had to be expensive.
I have these buttons on my X. Learn to use them easily, pretty quickly.
I am glad that they are putting the horn button back in the center pad of the steering wheel though.
Getting rid of stalks will save $Millions in parts costs, make assembly easier and quicker. Allow Tesla to remain cost effective and able to turn out millions of great electric vehicles.
It really cleans up the interior and improves sight lines. When FSD becomes a familiar technology, stalks will be relegated to history.
I believe that up to now, Tesla has been buying those stalks from Mercedes. Had to be expensive.
No problem with no stalksI just saw the M3 refresh video on Fully Charged and I think I saw that the left and right indicator controls have been made buttons on the steering wheel. Am I the only one to think this is really bad design?
Imagine the scenario when you are approaching a roundabout and you want to take the right hand exit (ie normally 3rd or 4th exit in the UK).
As you approach you use your left hand to press the button with the right arrow on it - so far so good.
You turn the steering wheel as you go round the roundabout.
As you approach your exit and want to indicate left, with steering wheel turned, your indicator buttons are now on the other side of the steering wheel - so unusually you need to press the buttons with your right hand. But hold on. Their upside down!! The arrow symbol on the left indicator is pointing right and the arrow on the right indicator is pointing left. Not only that but the bottom button is now on top and the top button is on the bottom.
Now I appreciate many people don’t indicate correctly at roundabouts anyway but I can’t see this ‘development’ helping much.
I guess people will soon get used to it.
Call me old fashioned but I think I prefer the good old indicator stalk that just stays where it’s meant to be.
I just saw the M3 refresh video on Fully Charged and I think I saw that the left and right indicator controls have been made buttons on the steering wheel. Am I the only one to think this is really bad design?
Imagine the scenario when you are approaching a roundabout and you want to take the right hand exit (ie normally 3rd or 4th exit in the UK).
As you approach you use your left hand to press the button with the right arrow on it - so far so good.
You turn the steering wheel as you go round the roundabout.
As you approach your exit and want to indicate left, with steering wheel turned, your indicator buttons are now on the other side of the steering wheel - so unusually you need to press the buttons with your right hand. But hold on. Their upside down!! The arrow symbol on the left indicator is pointing right and the arrow on the right indicator is pointing left. Not only that but the bottom button is now on top and the top button is on the bottom.
Now I appreciate many people don’t indicate correctly at roundabouts anyway but I can’t see this ‘development’ helping much.
I guess people will soon get used to it.
Call me old fashioned but I think I prefer the good old indicator stalk that just stays where it’s meant to be.
Again, I’m not sure you can extrapolate a driving experience in the US with what we’re likely to find in the UK.No problem with no stalks
I just drove a MS
No adjustment problems
Someone brought up the issue of putting on the turn signal when exiting a roundaboutAgain, I’m not sure you can extrapolate a driving experience in the US with what we’re likely to find in the UK.
In principle I think it’s a terrible idea for multiple reasons, but I suppose the proof of the pudding is in the eating so will be looking forward to hearing people’s experiences when it eventually lands here.
Almost like the designers live in a country devoid of roundabouts……Someone brought up the issue of putting on the turn signal when exiting a roundabout
Agree it would be a challenge to hit the turn signal while turning the steering wheel
Next time anyone gets a design bigwig on a podcast they need to ask about the history of this choiceAlmost like the designers live in a country devoid of roundabouts……
The US has one roundabout for every 500miles of road.Almost like the designers live in a country devoid of roundabouts……
If its cost saving? How many speakers do i need to give up to get the stalk back? 3? 7?
Well actually, the war of independence was between British settlers loyal to the king and British settlers who weren’t. It was only afterwards that American identity became established. But my original point wasn’t intended to be anti-American (I lived in MA for three years and am quite an Ameriphile, if that’s word) - just that the US road system makes removing stalks a potential workable idea. In the UK (and many other European countries), it’s just really not going to work.I just remembered why we went to war against the British.
Remind me, who won that one?
Yes we would. Stupid ideas transcend who originated them.We wouldn't even be having this discussion if it was BMW doing it.