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Some of us live in locations where rush hour means waiting one extra cycle at the traffic light. In these kinds of places the commute is just boring, rather than stressful. So rather than paying $5k for the current system we can wait and pay $6k if it turns into something _really_ useful.

Agreed, my commute is 10 minutes and 5 miles, 4 min is highway. I don't see much of an advantage.

I do go on long drives (400 mi roundtrip) a few times a month but its not worth the extra 5k to pay someone else (tesla) to drive those trips for me. If i wanted to do that I could always call an uber.
 
Hi. I'm trying to find out what the earliest Tesla.com estimates are for AWD and the SR ($35K). What do owners and line-waiters see?

I have seen screenshots of Canada estimates showing mid-2018 for AWD. I guess they meant mid-2019.

I'm working on an update. It should be ready probably within a day but definitely within 2 days.
 
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Hi. I'm trying to find out what the earliest Tesla.com estimates are for AWD and the SR ($35K). What do owners and line-waiters see?

I have seen screenshots of Canada estimates showing mid-2018 for AWD. I guess they meant mid-2019.

I'm working on an update. It should be ready probably within a day but definitely within 2 days.
For what it's worth, I've seen nobody here post anything early than "Late 2018" for AWD and SR, including (day 1?) owners that are already sitting on delay stand-by. Model 3 delivery estimator

EDIT: Somewhere along the queue in non-owners they switch estimates for SR to Early 2019 while the AWD is still Late 2018. This is me, non-owner that reserved at about the 24h mark, but is also the case for at least one non-owner that reserved in the evening of Mar 31.
 
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Hi. I'm trying to find out what the earliest Tesla.com estimates are for AWD and the SR ($35K). What do owners and line-waiters see?

I have seen screenshots of Canada estimates showing mid-2018 for AWD. I guess they meant mid-2019.

I'm working on an update. It should be ready probably within a day but definitely within 2 days.

Not if Tesla want to deliver the 200,000th car in US in early July to maximize $7500 rebate. The product specialist I spoke to here in Canada said most Canadians are opting for the dual motor. What other place to send Model 3 before July other than Canada?
 
@Troy, owner and have been invited to configure. My updated configurator says:

Coming Soon​

Additional configurations, including the entry level Model 3 without upgrades, will become available as production ramps.​

Base $35,000 Vehicle Late '18

Standard Battery - 220 Miles (EPA est.)

Premium Upgrades optional


Dual Motor All-Wheel Drive Mid '18
 
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I have changed my mind about Canada estimates being a typo. I will go with the idea that this is about 200K US sales. There is an Electrek article about it here. I hadn't realized that it shows mid-2018 for first production as well. It's not just AWD. That means the typo idea is much less likely. Also, Tesla would correct it quickly after the article if this was an error.
 
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If I get a great deal on '18 Leaf, I will clear my M3 spot.
My friend in ATL has a LEAF coming off lease and just was working with the dealer to figure out pricing for a lease on the 2018 LEAF. The straight-faced number from the dealer was $757/mo. At that rate, Nissan will move precisely zero of that vehicle, particularly when the 2019s will have much more range.
 
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Wow, so frustrated. Beginning to think that I will never see a car. Reservation was from late on the first day they opened it up. SR moved from mid 2018 to early 2019. With them doing LR and Dual motor first, and giving preference to current owners, I have no doubt that by the time early 2019 rolls around, I will be pushed back even further. And if new demand for LR, dual motor, or current owners comes close to what their production level is in 2019, I may never see my car because people will just keep jumping in front of me. So bummed.

Seriously thinking about canceling. Maybe the Leaf 2.0 will be good enough and I will just have to maybe get a Model 3 or Y in 5 years when it is time for another car...
Your analysis is 'good', if disappointing. Someone else here pointed out last night that realistically those seeking SR in the US, or abroad, might as well have no deposit in place at all...since by the time Tesla is fulfilling those orders its production rate will be so high that the delta between delivery timing of an early reservation vs a reservation made then will be measured in weeks. In other words, at that point they'll clear any remaining order backlog exceptionally quickly. By the way, this is part of the reason I expect that whatever capacity they add to production (beyond the 5k/wk capacity) will without a doubt be made to handle 3 and Y...won't need 10000/wk capacity for 3 for very long at all, if ever.
 
The real test comes in Oct 18 when the tax deduction sunsets and M3 SR at $50K should compete with a Leaf at about $30K.
The tax *credit* does not sunset in October 2018. If 200,000 US deliveries happens in April-June 2018, the full $7,500 credit is available through September 2018, then is cut in half for another 6 months. Then cut in half again for another 6 months. Then expires.
= ~50 with sales tax and no tax deduction.
So your math is incorrect.
 
I have changed my mind about Canada estimates being a typo. I will go with the idea that this is about 200K US sales. There is an Electrek article about it here. I hadn't realized that it shows mid-2018 for first production as well. It's not just AWD. That means the typo idea is much less likely. Also, Tesla would correct it quickly after the article if this was an error.
I think this is brilliant on Tesla's part. If true, it's clearly a revenue maximization strategy for the firm and an incentive maximization strategy for US and Canadian buyers. It's bad for SR folks in the US because it means a longer delay, but it may not turn out to be awful on the incentive side, if Tesla can delay the 200,000th US delivery until July. I hope it works, and it probably means a slightly longer wait and possibly half credit for me, as I prefer the LR non-PUP. I can live with that. It might even force me to upgrade to first production (pay $5K for upgrades I don't want to get the full tax credit). See? Tesla's strategy is working already! :)
 
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I think this is brilliant on Tesla's part. If true, it's clearly a revenue maximization strategy for the firm and an incentive maximization strategy for US and Canadian buyers. It's bad for SR folks in the US because it means a longer delay, but it may not turn out to be awful on the incentive side, if Tesla can delay the 200,000th US delivery until July. I hope it works, and it probably means a slightly longer wait and possibly half credit for me, as I prefer the LR non-PUP. I can live with that. It might even force me to upgrade to first production (pay $5K for upgrades I don't want to get the full tax credit). See? Tesla's strategy is working already! :)
It is going to be interesting in the coming days/weeks to see if the deferral rate, which has been covering consistently at 30%, comes down as Tesla 'encourages' more owners to come off the bench and get their 3LR now, rather than waiting even longer for an SR. This would be a terrific outcome from Tesla's perspective, largely because it would ensure that 3LRs continue to get into the hands of owners and not non-owners, as bugs continue to be worked out of production quality and software. Presumably each week that goes by, where 3LRs are going to owners rather than non-owners, helps Tesla in terms of post-delivery hassle volume. Granted, I'm a non-owner seeking a 3LR, so selfishly I hope the deferral rate among owners does not fall below 30%! But I do enjoy watching the corporate decisions and their downstream effects; helps pass the time.
 
Hi. I'm trying to find out what the earliest Tesla.com estimates are for AWD and the SR ($35K). What do owners and line-waiters see?

I have seen screenshots of Canada estimates showing mid-2018 for AWD. I guess they meant mid-2019.

I'm working on an update. It should be ready probably within a day but definitely within 2 days.

Here's my estimation for line waited, nonowner, east coast:
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To note, I had my dual motor estimated wait time go from Jul-Sep 2018-> Aug-Oct 2018-> to now late 2018.
 
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I have changed my mind about Canada estimates being a typo. I will go with the idea that this is about 200K US sales. There is an Electrek article about it here. I hadn't realized that it shows mid-2018 for first production as well. It's not just AWD. That means the typo idea is much less likely. Also, Tesla would correct it quickly after the article if this was an error.

I previously reasoned that Canada wouldn't have enough takers (of LR+RWD+PUP) in order for it to make a difference in keeping Tesla below 200k U.S. deliveries for Q2. My current best estimate for Tesla at their current pace and predicted ramp-up is ~230k total U.S deliveries at end of Q2. Of those, ~36k would be Model 3 deliveries. 30k seems like way too many vehicles to "play games" with.

But significantly pushing up AWD changes that to enter the realm of possibility.

I have some spreadsheets where I looked at various scenarios working with these assumptions:

Estimated number of Canadian reservation holders: 42,000 - 50,000
% who want standard range: 42%
% who want long range: 58%
% who want AWD: 80%
% who want RWD: 20%
% who want PUP: 45%
% who want future performance edition: 13%

Using these numbers, you only get ~2k who really want the First Production vehicles. Then I assigned percentages on what % I thought would be willing to compromise on these to take earlier delivery (e.g., 20% - 35% of those who want standard range would take long range if they had to, maybe 20% for RWD vs AWD). That could potentially bump the number up to ~5k - 8k.

But if Tesla did the following, they can greatly increase those numbers to get into the neighborhood of 30k:

* Cut off U.S. Model 3 deliveries (probably to 5% - 10% of normal levels), redirecting to Canada
* Introduce and deliver AWD in Q2 in significant volume (adds 8k - 16k more Canadian customers)
* Offer non-PUP variants (adds probably another 3k - 5k Canadian takers)

The above combined with minor Model S/X redirections overseas and elevated levels of inventory stockpiling could keep them barely under 200k for end of Q2.

The motivation to do this is clear: Make sure you don't hit 200k until you've reached closer to 5k / week for Model 3 production to maximize the number of U.S. customers qualifying for the full tax credit. Customers qualifying for the full tax credit are more likely to pay for add-ons / options they wouldn't otherwise select without help from the tax credit. Should help margins signficantly.
 
Those dates don't make any sense. Did you Photoshop it ?

Nope.

As other have noted, the standard battery option is being pushed out as the last available option. The Dual motor option (for us) is moved up on the list and slightly holding it's current place in line (more or less a few months). Tesla seem to be prioritizing high margin orders.

I would suspect the long range dual motor variant would be the first option available. The standard range dual motor variant would be available once they clear their reservation list of long range dual motor variant. To simplify production, the premium package would be first required for either variant.
 
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Here's my estimation for line waited, nonowner, east coast:View attachment 278891.

Hey Troy, mine's the same as hoang51's. Day 1 morning Line-waiter, East Coast USA, non-owner, non-employee:

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From my screenshot above, it appears that AWD with ****both**** the SR and LR batteries will be available in Late 2018. Do you guys assume this to be correct? Or do you think Late 2018 date is just for LR AWD? And that the SR AWD will be even later? I'm hoping not, as I'm looking for a well loaded 3, with the only option I don't want being the LR battery.

--Cintoman
 
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I completely feel everyone’s anguish here, our model X is our only Tesla and was an excruciating wait.

BUT I think it’s important to remember that Tesla’s production constraints have been with the battery production, it stands to reason that it’s due to battery production line issues that they’ve deferred incorporating SR batteries into the mix.

I think Tesla showed that their original intentions weren’t about profit when they originally had SR in the middle, I think it’s a production issue that’s the reason. Sad, but out of anyone’s control. (My SR date got bumped along with everyone else’s)
 
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