That seems to be the strategy.
Where I think they could run into a little trouble is the ~2016-2020 cars where they were promising much greater capabilities. My gut is FSD will never leave until those cars are nearly completely off the road.
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Model S/X minor refresh coming soon?
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Where I think they could run into a little trouble is the ~2016-2020 cars where they were promising much greater capabilities. My gut is FSD will never leave until those cars are nearly completely off the road.
WilliamG
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No I hear you. It wasn’t clear. I mean for FSD parking or leaving spaces remotely. The vision system is complete junk at tight maneuvers.
This video has lot of good breakdown on latest Tesla Q3 2023 earnings call. I recommend listening it since it has coverage of FSD.
ChooseFreedom
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Sorry, by "minor" I just meant small in change to the physical vehicle (most commonly associated with "refresh").
Adding lighting and the camera wouldn't be considered a "refresh" in the usual sense of the term on their own.
But yes, agree fully that the camera will be a major user/driver improvement.
And should certainly get even better over time with future software updates.
Vision only will never be as good as the ultra sonic for clearances of 6 inches or less. It's theoretically possible but without high resolution triangulation of 2 or more cameras being able to see every spot at 2 or more angles. Removing US and radar thrown Tesla back into the dark ages with respect to basic parking and TACC. Can't even see through fog any more.
The Model S started with no parking sensors so back to the beginning I guess. Such an odd decision especially on the S and X given the cost of the car.
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WilliamG
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Yep. Super odd. These cars will never have true FSD because of it.
My understanding is that ultrasonic is very accurate, but it is basically direct line to the closest object. Like if a string was stretched between the sensor and the item closest to it. So that also has limitations. The wall 12” in front and the curb 5.5” in front and 5.5” below look the same to it.
Of course my test drive with vision was all over the place pulling out of my drive that has posts in both sides.
Not sure why I ordered FSD exactly. I guess if Tesla can't get it done after 8 years of work with the hardware they have now, they'll likely never be able to do it without major redesign with more sensors and a very expensive recall or money refunded to people.
WilliamG
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You get that with free AutoPilot. You do miss out on completely automatic lane changes or auto lane changes when you signal, without upgrading from AutoPilot, but compared to throwing $12-$15k down the drain on FSD? Preferable, I'd say. I really do wish regulators would step in and pressure Tesla to either deliver FSD by a certain date, or refund everyone who bought it, upon request.
Hayseed_MS
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For $5k, I will sit in the car and change lanes whenever I think you may want to be in a different lane
Propofoln
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It’s so nice now having the USS back in the Taycan. So much more accurate than the HW4 vision
WilliamG
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Tesla is claiming free speech defense in CA lawsuit about misleading advertising of FSD
I don’t think FSD is ever going to happen, question is when can people start demanding a refund.
People have already individually taken Tesla to court and received a refund.
I always thought the naming was a tad aggressive and slightly misleading but at the same time, it's written down and made clear the driver is responsible. We have lots of products in the US that people use incorrectly that cause far more destruction than Autopilot.
Just a reminder there's an entire forum for people to talk about AP, FSD, regulation, nags, driver assistance feature naming, sensors, no sensors, etc.
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