mknox
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Don't disagree with any of that. It's just that I constantly hear how battery costs (the most costly component of an EV) are dropping steadily each year, yet the car prices are going in the other direction.
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Don't disagree with any of that. It's just that I constantly hear how battery costs (the most costly component of an EV) are dropping steadily each year, yet the car prices are going in the other direction.
We can all drink $1 Beer and go buy some Vaseline for loss of EV rebate.
@felixculpas sorry - could you message me privately? Or email me at kjsevans(@)gmail.com - I'm looking to get the names of people who spoke directly with @fordnation about the rebate.
Did you - or, for that matter, has anyone - gotten a response from Ms. McKenna?
jkirkwood001
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If I were McKenna got that letter asking for help then slamming me and my government with criticism I'd throw it right in the bin! Honey and vinegar, my friend - didn't you ever learn that lesson? Wow
Canuck
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Honey is the answer? We're dealing with big oil, high powered lobbyists and power brokers. No amount of sweetness will bring in an EV rebate when they've got Trudeau bought and paid for, and tucked deep in their back pocket.
So I'd rather call it like it is and give them more vinegar than the piddly amount in that letter, which is much too nice and reasonable for me. It should chew them out more, point out what a total hypocrite Trudeau and his gov't is for giving $3.3bn subsidies to fossil fuel producers despite climate pledge while giving us the Salmon Arm Salute. Well, at least his father was a thinker when he gave us the finger. His son pats us on the back, says he cares about our children's future, then takes our tax dollars to give to big oil and to build pipelines. So since that letter is likely going in the garbage anyway, while big oil's cheques go into the bank to fund the next campaign, the last thing it should do is be sweet as honey. I'd much rather it be full of p!ss and vinegar!
I'd rather not have the double talk about foreign content in their battery and battery costs and the Model S and X being subject to 6% tariffs as justification for it's high cost here, the Canadian model 3 prices with gigafactory batteries are the same percentage costs vs. US Model 3s as a model S
They would rather capture the efficiencies and add to their profit. I applaud any company for making as much money as they can. If I don't like it I don't have to buy it, unless I have to buy it...
I talked with them yesterday and they just said the same thing as they did last week. They met with reps from MTO and MTO is looking into the situation. They are trying to see if the "excluding Tesla" wording came from them or if it was a directive from cabinet. If it was from cabinet, there is no chance that anything will change. But If you look through this thread, you will see that a lawyer will not attempt a class action suit since Tesla is refunding everyone and I saw at least one person who had contact with their MPP. The MPP said they spoke directly to minister of transportation and minister said there's no way anything will change. I think OMB is just being strung along and trust me, no one is more upset than I am but I'm pretty sure it's over.
Since Tesla is offering the $4200 back I can see why a law firm would not take that on. But what about the fact we actually did place an order through a dealer (purchase agreement says Tesla Canada which is a registered dealer) prior to the July 11th cut off? I feel like there is one scenario that require legal insight - people that ordered prior to July 11th AND received the car prior to Sept 10th and then subsequently get denied the rebate even though we technically placed an order through a 'dealer'.
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So my car arrived last Monday (July 30). I pushed to have my decision making process to as far as it went. That day is today and today I will be telling Tesla that I am cancelling my order. This is painful and I am not happy about it but the reason I am not hopeful to "Did we order through a dealership" is because I feel like this would have been decided already. Tesla would've been all over that and they have been. They were in contact with government bodies right away and this is the way this decision stands. Look I could be totally wrong and I really hope I am for the people that can afford to wait longer.
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At that point it comes back to the buyer beware risk. Anyone with a 3 order that isn't aware the rebate was taken away really should be doing their homework at this point. Tesla is offering refunds, if you choose to not take it and accept the car I don't think you would have much of a court case. Granted it is more of a grey area, but in my opinion that argument won't go very far.
If you want the car you at least have to come to terms with the fact that the rebate is pretty much gone, and factor that into your finances.
In early Roman law, sales of goods were governed by caveat emptor: buyers were advised to scrutinize the goods before purchase, because sellers had few obligations.
Over time, the imperative of caveat emptor has been softened by warranties, both express and implied.
Unfortunately, most people don't seem to be aware of caveat suffragium, voter beware
Over time, the imperative of caveat emptor has been softened by warranties, both express and implied.
Unfortunately, most people don't seem to be aware of caveat suffragium, voter beware
I called the Ombudsman yesterday. I was told that there is an "ongoing dialogue" between them and the Ministry about this issue. My feeling is, if this was simply a decision from the cabinet, then they'd be informed as such and would close their investigations. I shared that theory with the individual with whom I spoke, and he couldn't confirm or deny it. However, the use of the words "ongoing dialogue" at least gives me hopes in that they are talking to one another, and not simply being given the run-around as I suspected they were.
From what the Ombudsman said to me, there are basically three phases in a case like this. The first phase is general inquiry. The second is full-blown investigation. And the third is resolution. They are still in phase one. They are fully aware that there's a very narrow timeframe here, and they're doing all they can, but it is what it is.
I think that, for many of us, we aren't able to approach this as if there's a month left. We have weeks left, maybe as few as one or two, because Tesla could contact us at any time and we may be forced to make a decision without knowing how the Ombudsman case will be resolved.
From what the Ombudsman said to me, there are basically three phases in a case like this. The first phase is general inquiry. The second is full-blown investigation. And the third is resolution. They are still in phase one. They are fully aware that there's a very narrow timeframe here, and they're doing all they can, but it is what it is.
I think that, for many of us, we aren't able to approach this as if there's a month left. We have weeks left, maybe as few as one or two, because Tesla could contact us at any time and we may be forced to make a decision without knowing how the Ombudsman case will be resolved.
Don't be so sure about the decision not coming from cabinet. I also spoke to them yesterday and the reason that they will not say whether it was from cabinet or not is because they don't know and they do not have granted access to the documents needed to determine this.
I thought to check my Tesla account today. Hadn't done so in a week or so. I now have a referral code! I guess I could use that to buy an S or X Should I now be on Youtube pimping my code? haha That would be too funny. NON OWNER gets 55 referrals and a roadster!
Perhaps this is the "bone" we'll be thrown but seriously doubt it and more likely just the normal triggering of events that don't always have the proper checks and balances as Tesla being a small car company is often guilty of.
Though you'd think they would have the M3P in there as well since it's eligible.
If I select a Model X, it's definitely taking the code. What's that, a free HPWC? $114,800 + taxes = almost $15k. I'd do it if there were no taxes but otherwise I'm not inclined.
Should I now be on Youtube pimping my code? haha That would be too funny. NON OWNER gets 55 referrals and a roadster! Perhaps this is the "bone" we'll be thrown but seriously doubt it and more likely just the normal triggering of events that don't always have the proper checks and balances as Tesla being a small car company is often guilty of.
Though you'd think they would have the M3P in there as well since it's eligible.
If I select a Model X, it's definitely taking the code. What's that, a free HPWC? $114,800 + taxes = almost $15k. I'd do it if there were no taxes but otherwise I'm not inclined.
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