Cheburashka
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Exactly, even if it's technically "legal", it's super petty on Tesla's part and the optics on this are horrible.
Plus it creates even more confusion and distrust.
Plus it creates even more confusion and distrust.
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I would guess that Elon took a couple of days off, OR whoever was the creator of this "genius sales tactics" is fencing Elon's twitter from this storm.(just joking)I’m kinda surprised Elon hasn’t got involved in this one and put it to rest. If it gets left to fester it will cost Tesla tens of millions of dollars. By midweek next week every publication will have it online. Ugh. One step forward.......
I would guess that Elon took a couple of days off, OR whoever was the creator of this "genius sales tactics" is fencing Elon's twitter from this storm.(just joking)
Either way no a word from Tesla at this point, just a few emails from lawyers now.
Careful. How will it cost Tesla tens of millions of dollars? And how are you going to measure/prove that's an accurate prediction/statement?I’m kinda surprised Elon hasn’t got involved in this one and put it to rest. If it gets left to fester it will cost Tesla tens of millions of dollars. By midweek next week every publication will have it online. Ugh. One step forward.......
I would guess that Elon took a couple of days off, OR whoever was the creator of this "genius sales tactics" is fencing Elon's twitter from this storm.(just joking)
Either way no a word from Tesla at this point, just a few emails from lawyers now.
Since Tesla owned the car in between the original owner and auction. Don’t they have the right to remove what they want.
Think of a car that has 21” wheels and they swap them to 19” before sending it to auction. Does that mean the buyer can look at the original window sticker and say he was robbed? Shouldn’t be any different for software options.
So the real question is if it was sold at auction with the buyer (used car dealer) confirming it had FSD (at that time - not just when it was new) and it was removed later. Like my wheel example, they can’t come to your house and swap the wheels after you bought it with 21” wheels.
No one has answered my question. Does the extra software purchased belong to the car or to the owner. This article indicates owner but cannot get this confirmed. This makes a HUGE difference in selling a car. Right?
Careful. How will it cost Tesla tens of millions of dollars? And how are you going to measure/prove that's an accurate prediction/statement?
How do you know Elon hasn't already been involved? Just because its not in the media doesn't mean he doesn't know about it or told someone what to do.
Regardless, just like so many tidbits of Tesla business - good or bad, its still publicity.
......... after they (Tesla) already re-sold the car at auction with EAP / FSD still installed / enabled. This is the foundation of this whole discussion. The history of the car hardly matters, except that Tesla appear to acknowledge in writing that they removed the features AFTER they sold the car, as-is at auction, also with a disclosure statement that made no mention of any pending FSD removal.Tesla then, as the owner, removed the FSD and Enhanced Autopilot.
......... after they (Tesla) already re-sold the car at auction with EAP / FSD still installed / enabled. This is the foundation of this whole discussion. The history of the car hardly matters, except that Tesla appear to acknowledge in writing that they removed the features AFTER they sold the car, as-is at auction, also with a disclosure statement that made no mention of any pending FSD removal.
Moderator note (bmah): This post (plus several posts following) came from another thread that was merged to this one.
What is the real story with the used Model S that Tesla took away FSD from the buyer? I read the headlines, but it doesn't make sense. If I bought a new Model S and paid $8000.00 for FSD, if I sell the car in 3 years, the buyer has a car with FSD, period. They can't just take it away from the second owner and make them pay $8000.00 again. My guess is there was some shennanigans where the original owner never paid for FSD, maybe it was an error update or hack. But for Tesla to not respond to this gives them bad press. They should state why this happened.
How will it cost Tesla money? It’s just a matter of how it looks to the public. The facts are less important at least until it gets resolved. If this gets out of hand there will be people (probably many) who make up their minds on the information they have available. How much does Tesla lose if they lose 1000 sales?
I’m not assigning fault anywhere until more is known but this will get spun. This is a PR matter. It needs to get dealt with properly.
...Just because its on the Monroney sticker doesn't mean the first owner bought it.
I imagine as the OP and the individual at the heart of this discussion, he’s the only one that COULD know whether or not he’s been contacted by some lawyers....a few emails from lawyers? what emails are you referring to, please? How do you know that?
I imagine as the OP and the individual at the heart of this discussion, he’s the only one that COULD know whether or not he’s been contacted by some lawyers.
When Tesla sold it to the Auction house, its price is reflected on the Monroney Sticker.
That makes sense.The Monroney sticker was not present at the auction. The OP got it from Tesla after he bought the car as a reprint.
...the EAP and FSD options..