JohnSnowNW
Active Member
Wasn't he talking about the Model Y...before he was talked out of making a radically different vehicle (i.e. no 12 volt, CAN bus, and new manufacturing technique)?
-
Want to remove ads? Register an account and login to see fewer ads, and become a Supporting Member to remove almost all ads.
The Automobile 2.0: Chevrolet Bolt EV vs Nissan LEAF vs Tesla Model 3 Long Range
- Thread starter seattlite2004
- Start date
-
- Tags
- Model 3
Wasn't he talking about the Model Y...before he was talked out of making a radically different vehicle (i.e. no 12 volt, CAN bus, and new manufacturing technique)?
MotoEvCA
Member
Insightful review.. It always comes down to cost / benefit.
A few observations
A few observations
- Middle / Upper class white collar guys can easily give less weight to Costs (Purchase, Maintenance, Insurance) and other factors
- The hip point for the rear seats in the Tesla looks pretty rough. The guy sitting in the seat had little / no thigh on the seat cushion.
Agree! That the rear seats look a oddly angled to me, which could be a problem since I need to fit 2 car seats back there - 1 infant and 1 front-facing convertible.
ElecFan
Member
This market is as distorted as a market can be, without government incentives. The oil industry (very unevenly distributed oil fields), military industrial complex (why are there in Japan and Germany so many big car manufacturers), geopolitical forces, gobal environmental effects, disastrous health effects to name just a few.
The model of full competition is a distant ideal for this market hence the government involvement. Too bad politicians do not always focus on making markets as competitive as can be. In fact the present administration does it's best to give the upcoming ev's as much disadvantage possible by taking away tax credits for ev's while maintaining billions of $ support for oil/gas/ice-cars.
Last edited:
mod note: 8 posts moved to snippiness.
Now it's my turn to be snippy. What is wrong with you guys? Stop calling each other names and discuss the topic like we're all sitting at a table together face to face. And remember that productive conversation means always leaving room for doubt, even when you feel absolutely sure about yourself.
<waits on this post being reported>
Now it's my turn to be snippy. What is wrong with you guys? Stop calling each other names and discuss the topic like we're all sitting at a table together face to face. And remember that productive conversation means always leaving room for doubt, even when you feel absolutely sure about yourself.
<waits on this post being reported>
voip-ninja
Give me some sugar baby
mod note: 8 posts moved to snippiness.
Now it's my turn to be snippy. What is wrong with you guys? Stop calling each other names and discuss the topic like we're all sitting at a table together face to face. And remember that productive conversation means always leaving room for doubt, even when you feel absolutely sure about yourself.
<waits on this post being reported>
Your avatar makes me think of Homer Simpson.
ROFL.
voip-ninja
Give me some sugar baby
You will notice I did not condemn incentives I just said that any incentive distorts the market. Any time there are incentives to push consumers towards one product over another the government is getting in the business of choosing winners and losers.
Same could be said for tax deductions, etc.
As I've said in previous posts, I'm not opposed to the incentive, and I'm disappointed it's going away for selfish reasons, however, I don't see the tax incentive helping out the .1% folks being something I can really get behind.
If the extremely well heeled want to buy a luxury car, I don't personally believe that the $7500 incentive is going to steer them towards a Tesla over a Bentley.
Not necessarily. My insurance going from my Civic to a 3 would double. That's unacceptable to most people. The Model 3 is considered a luxury car by insurance adjusters, which means you're gonna pay luxury car insurance rates.
Insurance companies are already talking about discounts for cars with advanced driver assistance features. If Tesla gets FSD sorted out, or even a real Level 3 system along the way, surely the insurance company will take note of the reduced accident rates and adjust the price to match.
voip-ninja
Give me some sugar baby
You don't know that this will happen, you are just optimistic that this will happen.
So far the small amount of information we have suggests that the Model 3 will be quite an expensive car to insure, more than say a similarly priced BMW or Audi that also has all of the safety bells and whistles.
I thought I was quite clear that I stated a fact from internet articles and added an expectation from that fact and related ones. It is certainly true that I don't know what will happen in the future for certain.
What information supports your conclusion that it will be excessively expensive to insure?
That's dependent upon your insurer. It looks like my insurance will be very similar to my current car (which is a 9 year old Subaru STi), so if you're getting a quote saying your rate is doubling, I'd suggest shopping around.
Rural areas away from interstates will be supported primarily with L2 AC charging at homes and businesses for quite some time just like they are today for Tesla drivers.
voip-ninja
Give me some sugar baby
People have been reporting the quotes on insurance they have been getting from their providers and many of them are quite high.
dgpcolorado
high altitude member
Tesla already has a fair number of Supercharger Stations in rural areas away from Interstates, with more to come next year. The ones I have used repeatedly include Farmington NM, Blanding UT, Moab UT and Price UT. Others I have used are Bend OR, Detroit Lake OR and Seaside OR. Haven't made it to Page AZ, but that's another rural Supercharger Station in this area. Coming soon is Poncha Springs CO (under construction and eagerly awaited by many here). On the coming soon list, just from my home area, are Alamosa CO, Kayenta AZ, Globe AZ, Steamboat Springs CO, Estes Park CO, Telluride CO, Montrose CO, and Aspen CO. Every one of those serves/will serve mostly rural areas away from Interstates, some of them very remote.
I'd say Tesla is doing quite well in serving rural areas away from Interstates; it was a factor in my decision to purchase my car.
I have checked. The best deal would be $100 less / year from that doubling. AKA $2000/year. To save more money, I'd have to reduce my coverage, something I'm not interested in. A single male in his early 20s is expensive to insure for, even with a spotless record.
MotoEvCA
Member
There have been numerous stories describing long repair times and waits for replacement parts. Both result in more time to repair which increases costs. Love Elon's spunk but dislike the communication style of Tesla. What has Tesla done to bring their vehicle repair costs and time in line with industry averages?
Things like this are my reason Tesla purchases should be a 'cautioned buy'. My order still stands and this site is a goldmine of information
MotoEvCA
Member
I have found it is very misguided for strangers to assume what people should not be buying.
- Interest rates are at a historical low (rates for auto loans have been as high as 13%-18% and were not considered predatory)
- Vehicles have historically been increasing in their usable life where a 5-year old car was seen as a junker / trade candidate in the 70s
Studio / 1 Bath Apartment in San Francisco CA | Carmel Rincon
Last edited:
Out of curiosity, I plugged in a Model X on USAA and got a quote for under $120/month on top of my existing vehicles. That's for $500,000 coverage, which is one step down from USAA's highest tier. I don't know what other people are getting for quotes, but this seems very reasonable to me.
Last edited:
I hear great things about USAA but for those who can't join, the entry requirements are a bit steep
Similar threads
