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  1. MotoEvCA

    Model 3 Interior Camera - A Witness for the Prosecution

    Tesla Legal Language Tesla Telematics Opt Out Tesla Video Collection Tesla claims video data collected is anonymized (individual owner data stripped) however, if Tesla is being sued for a failing vehicle component does anyone doubt Tesla will not be able to tie the video of a vehicle crash to...
  2. MotoEvCA

    Model 3 Interior Camera - A Witness for the Prosecution

    Sadly, many people do not fully read a post or have strong comprehension skills. They only read the bullets / highlights. Just trying to accommodate all comprehension levels. ;)
  3. MotoEvCA

    Model 3 Interior Camera - A Witness for the Prosecution

    Federal governments have decades of experience and data on distracted driving as it impacts public transport (planes, buses, and trains). These drivers have been monitored for decades As approval for Level 3 /4 autonomy is sought, the regulators are going to want to see data for the person...
  4. MotoEvCA

    Model 3 Interior Camera - A Witness for the Prosecution

    There used to be an assumption / best practice that the user configures the car BEFORE they start driving (set your temperature, adjust your seat, set your audio, etc.). We have more distracted driving because drivers want to multi-task - BY DEFAULT. See that interior facing camera in the...
  5. MotoEvCA

    "The car adapts to you...." --- Quote from review of Kia Stinger

    Well thought out and UI/UX design considers the needs of a wide consumer base (size of text fonts, reach to controls, etc.). The dependency on one screen for interacting with the vehicle means nearly everything you need to do in the car revolves around the design and flexibility of the UI. If...
  6. MotoEvCA

    Model 3 Frunk Repair

    I did not say the car was mine. I saw the vehicle at a Tesla store and wondered if the condition could be easily corrected or was considered within specification. I stated in the original post 'Anyone with an automotive background to provide some guidance'. Do you have an automotive...
  7. MotoEvCA

    Model 3 Frunk Repair

    Can these sort of alignment issues with the frunk be easily corrected? Anyone with an automotive background to provide some guidance.
  8. MotoEvCA

    Insurance Recommendation

    Never had a problem, they insure 2 homes, multiple cars, 2 motorcycles, and a RV for us. Left Liberty Mutual and have zero interest in Allstate. Have not had an accident or ticket in 20+ years. Service is excellent and reliable.
  9. MotoEvCA

    Insurance Recommendation

    I used the 2017 Model 3 for my quote values. I suspect the quote will not change appreciably
  10. MotoEvCA

    Insurance Recommendation

    California Car, Homeowners & Renters Insurance | Progressive - California My 6 month coverage: $795 Liability (across all vehicles) $300.00 Car#1: 2018 Jeep Wrangler =$175 (primary driver's age in lower 50's) Car#2: 2018 Model 3=$320 (primary driver's age in lower 50's) Car#3: 2007...
  11. MotoEvCA

    Arriving @ A Showroom Near You

    Spent some time at the Tesla store in Walnut Creek, California to finally get a closer look at the Model 3. While a rope line was present, access was fairly easy. I have traditionally liked chrome trim, however I am strongly considering having my Model 3 receive a stealth-black-outed exterior...
  12. MotoEvCA

    Model 3 problem already???

    Congrats... Enjoy your car Many others did not have the same delivery experience but thanks for thinking about someone other than yourself. “The content of your character is your choice. Day by day, what you choose, what you think and what you do is who you become.” ― Heraclitus
  13. MotoEvCA

    Model 3 problem already???

    If what was stated was by law true, it would preclude service reps from driving the car in preparation for delivery. It is important to distinguish contractual law from Tesla internal preference. Add an addendum to your purchase contract to get that test drive before signing the final contract...
  14. MotoEvCA

    Model 3 problem already???

    More the reason why Tesla employees should perform this QA work for a $50K+ vehicle before delivery (and sign-off having done it). Laws vary from state to state but good ones require disclosure of lot damage / damage in-transit and the customer having to sign a document demonstrating notification.
  15. MotoEvCA

    Model 3 problem already???

    The story looks like a quite rare mini-lemon I don't have access to Tesla' service / delivery records. Do you know more? Tesla went an extra mile here it seems to make things right I would prefer they go the extra mile BEFORE my delivery date and inspect the vehicle for damage and imperfects...
  16. MotoEvCA

    Model 3 problem already???

    Thank you for sharing this very important assessment and conclusion-to-date. I regret the number of posts in this thread questioning your motivation for sharing this unfortunate circumstance. Tesla appears to have resolved this BUT it is a reminder with any 'from the ground-up' product there...
  17. MotoEvCA

    The Curious Case of our Model 3 delayed-delivery

    So many people want 'White Glove' service and many feel they are entitled to it. Everyone can claim having a busy personal schedule necessitating a home delivery. I suspect Tesla will and should charge for Home Delivery @ a per hour rate. He did send an email to me thanking me for my...
  18. MotoEvCA

    CNN Money review of the Model 3 - not very flattering

    I trust the professionals who study UI /UX design. They study a subject before making an informed comment
  19. MotoEvCA

    Model 3 tries to jump creek

    Must have gotten distracted fiddling with that screen trying to get the rear seat heating controls to function while making their way to grandmom' house (listening to a jolly and inspiring song on the recently enabled FM radio). Looks like someone took the song literally.
  20. MotoEvCA

    CNN Money review of the Model 3 - not very flattering

    Musk created the car of the future now. All these knobs that people feel nostalgic about will be GONE anyway as soon as FSD is here. Did Elon provide you a date for when Full Self Driving (FSD) will be available for use? 2018? 2019? 2020? 2021?
  21. MotoEvCA

    Tesla Model 3: The First Serious Review

    Thanks for providing the link. I find these reviews very helpful and would not be possible without the assistance of Model 3 owners. Does anyone know if Tesla will provide vehicles for journalist to review? I don't expect any gotcha moments but (once again) we still do not have a conclusive...
  22. MotoEvCA

    CNN Money review of the Model 3 - not very flattering

    I Think You May Be Missing The Point - Change For the Sake of Change There are best practices for the placement of controls in automobiles (exotics, bespoke notwithstanding). Tesla moving to a single interface and removing almost all switches is expecting the consumer to forego decades of...
  23. MotoEvCA

    Change from alcantara to cloth on PUP???

    FUNNY Your Base Assumption May Be Wrong. You don't know the actual product Tesla is using. Tesla has an alcantara-like material on the visors, headliner, and door cards. They could all be different alcantara-like materials. Please provide evidence Tesla is using a trademarked alcantara...
  24. MotoEvCA

    Change from alcantara to cloth on PUP???

    I recall Mobileye did not like how far Tesla was trying to push their technologies given their 'loose' controls, and the appearance of lack of failsafes they felt were needed for Level 3-4 autonomy. Mobileye started getting nervous that Tesla's implementation was going to result in safety...
  25. MotoEvCA

    Change from alcantara to cloth on PUP???

    Door cards are usually handled/produced by a supplier off-site and delivered for integration with the door assemblies. Similar color but it is highly probable Tesla is using an alcantara-like product. OEM Headliner Suppliers OEM Interior Trim Suppliers
  26. MotoEvCA

    Change from alcantara to cloth on PUP???

    Suppliers rarely stop talking to customers..... Especially if the contract is stable and profitable to the company. They stop talking when... Litigation is pending The company buying the product tries to modify the terms of the contract - longer payback terms, decrease volume after...
  27. MotoEvCA

    Change from alcantara to cloth on PUP???

    Many are getting a great education on how important it is to have great leadership in an important area impacting millions globally. Subject Matter competency, great decisioning skills, and strong communications judgment are essential for effective leadership. Using Twitter for communicating...
  28. MotoEvCA

    Change from alcantara to cloth on PUP???

    Why do you keep clicking on the thread if you are so OVER IT? I think there is a remedy for what ails you.... Treatment is only a click AWAY!!!! No Prescription Required... Faux Indignation Personified & Noted
  29. MotoEvCA

    Change from alcantara to cloth on PUP???

    I'm not inclined to accept the vehicle if what you describe would be present and I am having my atty produce addendums to the purchase contract. I don't have the time or inclination to do post repair work on a brand new $56k+ car. We will see if Tesla will accept those addendums before...
  30. MotoEvCA

    Change from alcantara to cloth on PUP???

    Thanks for the perspective Would you accept your car and give Tesla final payment based panel on the gaps and alignment issues you saw?
  31. MotoEvCA

    Under-staffed GUI/software staff?

    I hope Tesla is successful with autonomy but the environment is extremely competitive on a global scale. Several Chinese EV startups with tons of cash 'poached' high-value talent from BMW and it has impacted their BMW Megacity initiative and similar is happening across the technology...
  32. MotoEvCA

    Change from alcantara to cloth on PUP???

    I fall into the latter camp and when mentoring children, I encourage them to use critical thinking which included not listening to what people say TODAY but observe past behavior and most importantly assess motivation (especially when money and property are concerned). Past behavior correlates...
  33. MotoEvCA

    Change from alcantara to cloth on PUP???

    Thank you for very informative update.
  34. MotoEvCA

    Change from alcantara to cloth on PUP???

    Yes, I believe that this headliner kerfuffle is most likely due to a breakdown somewhere in internal comms, with no bad intent behind it. I would like to believe @bonnie works for Tesla because (not trying to make this personal) to routinely have the ability to understand/know the motivations...
  35. MotoEvCA

    Change from alcantara to cloth on PUP???

    While many believe this conversation has been overwrought and worn thin, I am glad this event has happen relatively early for Tesla and can be used for good if the company chooses to do so. Most people who manage corporate brands understand it is hard to put a dollar value on consumer...
  36. MotoEvCA

    Model 3's Ride Quality

    What is interesting are the choices Tesla engineers made for suspension dampening, spring rates, and compliance for the Model 3. A new owner recently added that the ride felt less rough when the car was under heavy load (full passengers and luggage).
  37. MotoEvCA

    Under-staffed GUI/software staff?

    I keep reminding myself that Tesla is a relatively new and small company who MAY not have the resources and more importantly the right leadership team to do this sort of work at the level of depth and detail found elsewhere in the industry. While the idea of Other the Air (OTA) is seen as a...
  38. MotoEvCA

    Change from alcantara to cloth on PUP???

    Hmmm,,, From where did you get this insight?? When I actually worked in manufacturing for a Fortune 500 company we provided multiple suppliers the same set of specifications to meet because we want the customer experience to be the same regardless of supplier product used. While the supplier...
  39. MotoEvCA

    Change from alcantara to cloth on PUP???

    Elon Expressing His Artistic Side In The Model 3 Interior While Channeling Dolly Parton?
  40. MotoEvCA

    Change from alcantara to cloth on PUP???

    Thanks for educating the public-at-large and keeping the pronunciation of a word beautiful as Ricardo explains to Letterman decades ago. Class personified....
  41. MotoEvCA

    Change from alcantara to cloth on PUP???

    I can pronounce Cordoba and Corinthian Leather better than Ricardo. I practiced for years to impress the ladies. Saying Vegan Leather sounds so pedestrian in 2018. Ricardo Montalban - The Master of Pronunciation
  42. MotoEvCA

    Change from alcantara to cloth on PUP???

    Tesla has been in business for more than a decade and if Elon has the mental capacity to plan for a trip to Mars (on a Falcon Heavy rocket),he and his Tesla management team should be able to provide/communicate accurate interior specifications and material changes on the Model 3. A Sanguine...
  43. MotoEvCA

    Change from alcantara to cloth on PUP???

    Most mainstream builders (I have witnessed Pulte and others) have indicators/signs in their Model Homes for items that are an additional cost option. What you are saying is primarily factually incorrect and why consumers should expect sellers to provide the information clearly and timely...
  44. MotoEvCA

    Change from alcantara to cloth on PUP???

    Every time someone has to rely on the 'general public' to provide clarification on the contents of the PUP it clarifies the root cause of the problem: Tesla choosing to NOT provide clear specifications and pictures for their products consistently and timely on their website (no tweets, no...
  45. MotoEvCA

    Change from alcantara to cloth on PUP???

    I want those who signed contracts and gave non-refundable deposits to get what they expected. If that means Tesla pay for a local customizer to do an alcantara install - so-be-it. Also, I want Tesla to stop making these sort of rookie mistakes and getting comfortable with taking folks money...
  46. MotoEvCA

    Change from alcantara to cloth on PUP???

    Unfortunately, it appears the frustration is less about the headliner but what feel like obfuscation and poor customer communication on the part of Tesla. They can and should do better because so many customers / employees serve as ambassadors to the brand. This could go bad for Tesla if they...
  47. MotoEvCA

    Change from alcantara to cloth on PUP???

    Ha....... This should be a turning point for Tesla. The old model of being unclear about specifications and making changes (to orders in-flight) as it suits them should be over. This is sloppy and embarrassing. If 50% of those with reservations held back their configurations until Tesla...
  48. MotoEvCA

    Change from alcantara to cloth on PUP???

    I think your perspective is quite reasonable. I think many people need to / want to not see what Tesla does behind closed doors in a sober fashion. This is about Tesla managing negative circumstances through PR. The change looks hasty and more of a reaction than a planned action. Some have...
  49. MotoEvCA

    Change from alcantara to cloth on PUP???

    I will pay $10 more than his offer. ;)